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Hi Dea I had made contact with the roach family and they indicated that we were not connected. Also Thomas Thomas was a miner. Not sure what an agent would do either??

Here is the up to date information on the family. I Have Thomas Thomas born approx. 1860 (family still say came from snowdonia, north wales (not yet confirmed) Ellen his wife born 1863 died in abertridwr 15/09/1934. Thomas and ellen lived in a miners home in trethomas and this was confirmed by the electoral roll from 1917 - 1933. Ellen, William and annie ellen then moved to abertridwr. I can only assume Thomas may have died in trethomas in 1933 and the remainder of the family had to move out because the house they lived in was linked to his work. Once Ellen died William and annie ellen then moved to Senghenydd in 1934.. I have all the relevant information on all their children now and they were all born in trethomas.Hope this helps.

Yes this looks really interesting and agree it matches. How do I find out what other information the school admission records hold? eg mothers name and maybe full address. It appears it is within the local area. I do not live in south wales so what would I post it under for someone to look up for me.

This record matches the death info

Record Transcription:
Glamorgan Schools Admission Registers

First name(s) Ann Ellen
Last name Thomas
Birth year 1897
Birth day 23
Birth month Dec
Father or guardian Thomas
Residence Picton Inn
Admission year 1897
School name St Mary Rc Seniors
Country Wales
Previous school Wrexham RC
Register St Mary RC Seniors 1906
Record set Glamorgan Schools Admission Registers
Category Education & work
Subcategory Schools & Education
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

I hope it hasn't been posted before - if it has, I apologise for duplication

D O B given in 1939 was Dec 1896.

Death registraton gives it as 23/12/1897

So how one is expected to pinpoint the correct birth is beyond me

Name: Anne Ellen Edmunds
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1897
Registration Date: Jun 1973
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 999

Birth registration would almost certainly have been during JFM in the year following whichever of the above dates is correct

Rose, if the DOB was truthful on the 1939 register, it can't be that birth. Doesn't fit with a birth in December 1897.

Perhaps she was born Ellen Ann, but went by her middle name so not to confuse her with her mother:

Births Mar 1896
Thomas Ellen Ann Pontypridd 11a 483

MMN is Griffiths.

Rose

Trying to find that 1911 family you posted in 1901.

???????

Name: Ellen Ann Thomas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Dyserth (Flint), Denbighshire, Wales
County: Denbighshire
Civil Parish: Dyserth (Flint)
Ecclesiastical Parish: Dyserth St Budget
Sub-District: St Asaph
Registration District: St Asaph
Residence Note:
Gender: Female
Age: 5
Occupation:
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1896
Birthplace: Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: 182
Page Number: 23


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas R Thomas Head M 35 Llanidan, Carnarvonshire
Ellen Thomas Wife F 36 Llanddewi, Denbighshire
Ellen Ann Thomas Daughter F 5 Glamorganshire

Rose

Births Jun 1918
Phillips William H Thomas Pontypridd 11a 965

Rose

1939

Phillips Household (13 People)
9 Brynhyfryd Terrace Senghenydd, Glamorganshire, South Wales , Caerphilly U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales


William H Phillips 22 Sep 1877 Male Colliery Repairer Unemployed Married 295 1
Annie (Ellen) Edmunds (Phillips) ? Dec 1896 Female Unpaid Housewife Duties Married 295 2
William H Phillips 18 Apr 1918 Male Builders Labourer Heavy Worker Single 295 3
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Dea

Somewhere on this thread, there is a reference to a Thomas/Roach marriage - whether or not it's the right parents I have no idea, but it may be a pointer.

As the thread is SO long and there has been a lot of info on here already discounted, can you give us as short version of what you have actually found which you know to be true on her and her family please?

Thanks,

Dea x

I haven't read the whole thread but if she was born in Wales then these look like the 'possibles' (Maiden names are shown which may well help if you know more):


THOMAS, ANNIE ELLEN ROACH Order
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 758 Order

THOMAS, ANNIE ELLEN JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ABERAYRON Volume 11B Page 36 Order

Also this one if Ellen was short for Eleanor?

THOMAS, ANNIE ELEANOR FORTUNE Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in PEMBROKE Volume 11A Page 1085 Order

Dea x

Hi Can anyone help me with birth reference for this family. In particular Annie Ellen Thomas

Census details are:
Thomas Thomas Head Married Male 45 1866 Carnarvon Llanyslan
Fireman Below Ground

Ellen Thomas Wife Married Female 45 1866 Denbigshire Llan-

Annie Ellen Thomas Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Brecknock Vaynor
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This is from a google search;
http://www.electoralregisters.org.uk/

Can anyone help me further with this enquiry. I have found my greatgrandparents deaths in wales in 1934 & 1936.. However, I am having difficulty in the early 1900's due to records being destroyed during the 1st world war e.g. electoral roll. Can you tell me what documents should show me the grandparents area of birth as obviously the census is not yet released or am I just out of luck.

You need to do that yourself at the nearest main library to the address either in person or you maybe able to contact them by phone or email.

I am looking for someone who can do a look up for me for this family in the electoral roll for 1934 - 36. In edwards terrace, abertridwr and 9 brynhyfrydd terrace, senghenydd, glamorganshire, south wales.

Annie Ellen Thomas (my grandmother) approx birth 1892 according to her marriage certificate.
Birth place: Wales. Area unknown. Cannot locate her birth certificate. This is what I am really after to know the mothers full single name.
Death: 7/4/1973 Caerphilly, Glamorganshire, South Wales. My grandmothers death details on ancestory is indicating her dob as 23/12/1897.

Marriages: x 3
1. Ernest Edwins 7/5/1916 Caerau, Glamorganshire. Died in the forces in Flanders 1917.
2. William Henry Phillips 9/5/1921- Newport, glamorganshire - died 08/12/1961 Senghenydd, Glamorganshire, South Wales
3. Harry Edmunds 1965 Caerphilly, Glamorganshire, South Wales - died 1967.

Annie's parents (I believe) Again I am told by the family that thomas was married twice no convincing evidence of this to date.

Thomas Thomas (my great grandfather- miner ) Not sure of birth but approx 1870 - area unknown- death I believe in the 1930's in Caerphilly, South Wales.
Ellen Thomas ( my great grandmother) (dont know her single name) Not sure of birth approx 1870 - death I believe in the 1930's and died in abertridwr, caerphilly, Glamorganshire, South Wales.

Need to find deaths of thomas and ellen and to limit the period need someone to look up electoral rolls for me.

thank you.

Hi Mike, can you tell me why you think that my grandmother annie ellen iThomas s more likely to be the neath birth rather than the runcorn cheshire.
I have asked the GRO to check both and organise a certificate but they have come back and said that the checking points did not indicate that these are the certificates I am after as the checks failed.
I am happy to take a punt and just get them to send one of them anyway.
To update you I have now obtained the birth certificate of Annie ellens son Lewellyn Thomas born 30/9/1915 registration district llandilofawr, county of carmarthen. Born at 18 harrold street, tir-y-dale, ammanaford. Annies address is showing as 39 Margam street, caerau, glamorgan. The childs
death was at 29 william street, trethomas, glamorgan in 1929..
Annie married her first husband in 7/5/1916 in caerau, glamorgan and her address is showing up as 36 margam street, caerau. Her husband Ernest Edwins lived at ivira street, ammanaford.
Any suggestions?

EDWINS, ERNEST
Rank:Private
Service No:57449
Date of Death:09/04/1917
Age:28
Regiment/Service:The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
18th Bn.
Grave Reference V. E. 27.
Cemetery WANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Husband of Annie Ellen Edwins.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Can anyone help me with the district a death would come under when the family lived in abertridwr, caerphilly, glamorganshire, south wales in . appprox 1935.
My great grandparents Thomas Thomas and Ellen Unknown. They lived in trethomas from 1918 - 1929 according to the ellectoral roll which I have now obtained.
The family tell me that they moved from trethomas to edward terrace, abertridwr, glamorganshire so what area would this come under when looking for the certificate. :-)