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your help has been fantastic, can't work out the 2 marriages, but have now found out that Agnes later changed her name for what reason i do not know, and not only is Win missing but also another brother Bert who lived into his 70's in Dover ? you have been more help than my mum so thanks again.

But we appear to have found 2 marriages?????


Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Amos Walter J Toms Dover 2a 2459
Toms Grace M Amos Dover 2a 2459


Grace May TOMS
Birth: 25 DEC 1890
Marriages:
Spouse: Walter John AMOS
Marriage: 1922 Hougham, , , England

thanks to both of you for the help, yes everything you have found is right, but from the info i have win was the eldest sister and one of ten children but Agnes is strange as my mum betty did not mention her, but you've really helped with dates ect anything else you can suggest would be good.

Perhaps Sue could come back and tell us a little more
as their does appear to be something odd here.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: TOMS, Grace
Address: 50, George Street, Dover
TOMS, Henry Head Married M 45 1856 Contractor's Labourer
Dover Kent
TOMS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 43 1858
W Hougham Kent
TOMS, Grace Daughter F 12 1889
Dover Kent
TOMS, Norman Son M 10 1891
Dover Kent

1911 census - household transcription
Person: TOMS, Grace Mary
Address: 12 Chapel Place Ramsgate
POOLE, Matthew John Head Married M 60 1851 Merchant Tailor Woking Becks VIEW
POOLE, Flora Mcbride Wife Married
30 years F 50 1861 Liverpoll Lancs VIEW
GODDARD, Rosetta Jane Servant Single F 28 1883 Cook London Oxfordshire W VIEW
TOMS, Grace Mary Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Dover Kent

This record obviously wrong then ?

Grace May TOMS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 25 DEC 1890

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Marriages:
Spouse: Walter John AMOS
Marriage: 1922 Hougham, , , England



Maybe Winifred was Grace's niece and "taken in" and brought up as her own.

Name: Wilfred Henry Sayer
Birth Date: 7 May 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1999
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Thanet With Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Register number: C2E
District and Subdistrict: 5751C
Entry number: 92

sadly
Name: Norah Ellen Sayer
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1995
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Canterbury
Inferred County: Kent
Register number: B10S
District and Subdistrict: 5601B
Entry number: 172

Nora married 1940!!!
Name: Nora E Amos
Spouse Surname: Sayer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940
Registration district: Dover
Registration county (inferred): Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 5122
Find Spouse: Wilfred H Sayer

parents married 1916

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Births Sep 1918
Toms Winifred - Toms - Marylebone 1a 661

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Not picking up a Winifred Amos mmn Toms
could she be this one
Name: Nora E Amos
Mother's Maiden Surname: Toms
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1918
Registration district: Dover
Registration county: Surrey,Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1656
she seems to be the eldest girl

These are the only births that come up but no Winifred
Births Jun 1917 Amos Walter H Toms Dover 2a 1730

Births Sep 1918 Amos Nora E Toms Dover 2a 1666

Births Jun 1920 Amos Gracie E Toms Dover 2a 2473

Births Dec 1922 Amos Ernest W Toms Dover 2a 1780

Births Dec 1923 Amos Richard J Toms Dover 2a 1791

Births Jun 1927 Amos Agnes M Toms Dover 2a 1826

Births Mar 1930 Amos Betty D Toms Dover 2a 1773

Births Dec 1932 Amos George R Toms Dover 2a 1679

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Amos Walter J Toms Dover 2a 2459
Toms Grace M Amos Dover 2a 2459

Have you tried searcch trees?

Ws this Walter?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: AMOS, Walter
Address: 15 Lingdale Cotts Manor Road Maxton Dover
AMOS, John Head Married M 59 1852 Labourer St Margarets Kent VIEW
AMOS, Nellie Wife Married
33 years F 51 1860 St Margarets Kent VIEW
AMOS, Walter Son Single M 27 1884 Miner Linker Kingsdown Kent VIEW
AMOS, Agnes Daughter Single F 19 1892 Domestic Servant Dover Kent VIEW
AMOS, Richard Son M 14 1897 Labourer Dover Kent VIEW
AMOS, William Son M 12 1899 School Dover Kent

Win was eldest daughter of Walter and Grace Amos, of Maxton, Dover, Win would be around 90yrs old and thought to have moved from Dover around 1940 anyone knowing Win or exiting family please help