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Hi thankyou for the help i will check at home tonite i am pretty sure i have there marriage certificate I have that many certificates i have shares in the GRO i realy do thankyou for the help i have been diging on this one for soooo long Thankyou from TRacie

mgnv, I did not say there would be no death cert for them.

I said:

Although they are both commemorated on UK memorials, it may not be that they died on UK soil, so there will probably not be death certificates for them.

My great uncle was lost at sea, but he is commemorated at Portsmouth.

There is no death cert anywhere. Nothing at FMP. Nothing anywhere else.

Contrary to MMeg's info, if they died in the UK there will be a regular d.cert for them, and if they died outside the UK there will be a war deaths d.cert for them - it's listed in the GRO's "overseas" mob, and FMP has the index ref #s.

These war d.certs are even less informative than a typical English d.cert. Here the Scottish war deaths contain the same info as English ones, and you can see an example of the former via the link near the end of the page at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&404

Hi Tracie

Thanks for you info - I need to get back to you at some point cuz I have a different set up at top of tree.

This William George is son of a Charles William Cave and might be from henrietta Blishen.
Edward Walter claims to be son of Charles but cannot get any further info. Have you got EWC's marriage cert to gertie?

Cheers
Lynda

Thank you Trac!



Just wait till I catch up with that other mad woman though!!

The most helpfull 2 mad women on a mission i have had the pleasure to get help from

Just to say, Trac, I agree with Sylvia's suggestion. Just so you don't think it is one mad woman on a mission!

There are two of us.

To all of you thankyou will order today the puzzle is getting easy err thanks to all that helped

I cannot find any record of the births or of their marriage on the ancestry London Archive records


It might be the only thing left for you to do is to order that marriage certificate that I just posted ................ that would give you the names of the two fathers and their occupations.



sylvia

here's that same family in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Edward H Cave
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Son
Father's name: Edward W Cave
Mother's name: Gertrude A Cave
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Woodford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woodford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 78

Edward W Cave 25 b.ca 1876, Kilburn, London, Butcher
Gertrude A Cave 25 b.ca 1876, Walthamstow, Essex
Edward H Cave 2
Patric C Cave 5 Months b.ca 1900, East Ham, Essex

Address:- 3 Milton Villas, Carnarvon Road (looks as though N.3 was divided into 3 apartments / flats/ maisonettes ro whatever)


??? Edward H's birth registration


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Edward Henry Cave
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 382 (click to see others on page)


Name: Kathleen Mary Cave
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 469 (click to see others on page)



There might ahve been another child, this one is mentioned on a fmaily tree on ancestry, (no other helpful information!)


Name: Vivian Marie Cave
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 396 (click to see others on page)




Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)

Cave Edward Walter W. Ham 4a 205
Southan Gertrude Ann W. Ham 4a 205




sylvia

Hello again i have been looking a bit more and i am wondering. I found a 1911 census that dose say Edward Walter Cave was born in about 1877 in Bow there are quite a few born from 1874 to 1878 could some one please help me to narrow it down a bit so i can order a birth certificate to see who his parents were. In the 1911 census he was still married to Gurtrude they had 3 children,
Kathleen Mary Cave 1903 Woodford
patric Charles Cave 1901 East Ham
Edward Henery 1899 Woodford
Thankyou for any help

Thankyou for all that! that looks like him, he was a witness on the marriage of my gggrandfather Charles William Caves marriage in 1895. Edward Walter that is i wonder if he was Charles Williams son from a previous marriage woooo iam going to do some diging Thankyou all again a different angle is good.Also William George is Charles Williams son born in 1897 by the look of it

from ancestry



UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919

Name: Edward Walter Cave
Birth Place: Bow
Residence: Plaistow, Essex
Death Date: 30 Jan 1917
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: London
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps
Number: SS/8803
Type of Casualty: Died
Theatre of War: Home


according to a tree on ancestry, he was born in 1876, was a Butcher, and he married Gertrude Ann Southan in 1897

Gerrtude A Cave married John W Atherley in Dec quart 1919



sylvia

FYI

UK death certificates do not give the names of the parents, except in the case of small children, when the mother's name might be given.



sylvia

Hi Trac, if you find them on the CWGC website

http://www.cwgc.org/

you are able to download whatever iformation they have about them, and proabably photos of the cemeteries in which they are buried or at least commemorated.

Although they are both commemorated on UK memorials, it may not be that they died on UK soil, so there will probably not be death certificates for them.

Tracie ...the CWGC shows:

'Edward Walter Cave son of Charles Cave ...husband of Gertrude Atherley (formerly Cave) of 53 Rathcoole Gdns Hornsey London ...... &

William George CAVE was 'son of Charles Cave'.

Valerie

Hi i am looking for some help please.
I want to order two death certificates if these men died in the war am i able to do this and could you please tell me what information i need to do this.
This is what i have
William George Cave
Able Seaman J/16647
Died 1917
Plymouth Navel Memorial 21
Edward Walter Cave
Private SS/8803 Army Service Corps
Died 1917
Screen wall 35427 East London cementry Plastow.
I wish to find out who there parents were.
Thankyou from Tracie