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hope this is the right page to reply, a big big thankyou yet again to everyone, we have now got my nana and grandads marriage certificate, Ann Crossley married George Hague and my grandads dad was called James Grundy and was a miner, thanks to your help We now think that James Grundy is part of the big Grundy family in Little Hulton, James is on the census as a miner at the age of 13 we think this is my mums great grandad, thankyou so much, me and mum feel closer our family and now hope we can go a bit further back. thankyou from the bottom of our hearts you lovely people. joanne and Pauline.

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Hi you wonderful people, the threads you all provided about Ann and Clara Hague were so spot on. also Kenneth Grundy my mums brother died very suddenly he was on leave from the army when he was battered and didn't fully recover he caught pneumonia my mum said it was called 'The crisis' and died when he got back to his barracks in Tilbury. Kenny should have had a military funeral but nana and grandad just wanted their lad home. seeing the information you all supplied really hit home this is our family, just waiting on Clara and Davids marriage certificate will keep you all posted. thank you so much. Pauline and Joanne

Hi Joanne, just been having a look at this again and there are lots of Grundys around Hulton , all seemingly involved in coal mining.

Just wondering if Joanne knows how to come back to her threads ? She has said she is quite new to this and I didn't know how when I first started. I will PM her.

Bw
Vanessa

Ann Hague was 75 on death

so I am for this birth
NAME:
Ann Bryne
BIRTH:
Mar 1859 - Ashton Under Lyne, Cheshire, Lancashire

Morning
Kenneth Grundy who is in the grave with Ann Hague
this is the only death I could find for a Kenneth that fit in with the burial
NAME:
Kenneth Grundy
DEATH:
Thurrock, Essex, England
DEATH:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1948 age 20

Kenneth Grundy birth
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hague
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1928
Registration district: Manchester S
Registration county: Lancashire


David Harold Grundy age 56 on death in 1955

his birth
NAME:
David Harold Grundy
BIRTH:
Sep 1898 - Bolton, Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Hello Joanne
if you go to
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
put in Ann Hague
Southern Cemetery
01/01/1933
Date range 1 year

it is worthwhile paying for credits to have a look at the burial record as it gives quite a bit of information
also in the grave are
Kenneth Grundy buried 19/01/1948
David Harold Grundy buried 7/04/1955

there is a family in 1881 which might be correct-
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
David GRUNDY Head M Male 43 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Fanny GRUNDY Wife M Female 40 Worsley, Lancashire, England
Emily GRUNDY Daur U Female 20 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill
Elizabeth Ann GRUNDY Daur U Female 16 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Card Tenter In Cotton Mill
James GRUNDY Son Male 13 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Thomas GRUNDY Son Male 12 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary Ellen GRUNDY Daur U Female 9 Walkden, Lancashire, England Scholar
William Albert GRUNDY Son U Male 4 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Scholar
James WALLWORK Son In Law M Male 24 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Coalminer
Alice Jane WALLWORK Daur M Female 21 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill

29 grovesnor street late virgins inn lane Little Hulton Lancs

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vanessa

Baptisms: 27 Jan 1886 St Paul, Walkden, Lancashire, England
Maria Wray - Child of Thomas Wray & Emily
Born: 23 Jun 1885
Abode: 260 Bolton Road
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: C. Heath
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1908, Page 7, Entry 49
Source: Original Parish Register


1891 England Census
about Maria Wray
Name: Maria Wray
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Wray
Mother's name: Emily Wray
Gender: Female
Where born: Walkden, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Saddleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Upper Mill
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wray 27
Emily Wray 29
Maria Wray 5

I also wondered about that marriage but she's Emma not Emily.

Christine

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Emma Grundy
Name: Emma Grundy
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bolton
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 506 (click to see others on page)

Thomas Wray

Hi Joanne,

There is this David Harold Grundy in 1911, correct age ( matches with 1901 supplied by Jax)

James Cooney 39 miner
emily Cooney 49 laundry hand
David Harold Grundy 13 - now described as nephew

States James and Emily been married 11 years and no children born .
21 Peers Street ,Pendlebury, Salford.

On 1901 Maria Wray is described as step daughter ( to James )so Emily obviously married before.

best wishes

vanessa

Ann Byrne did marry Edward Hague.

Details from Lancs BMD, a free site.

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BYRNE Ann HAGUE Edward Manchester, Ancoats, St. Simon & St. Jude Manchester 2/1/367


Christine

1901 that Mike mentioned

Name: David H Grundy
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Adopted Son >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gender: Male
Where born: Little Hulton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Pendlebury and Swinton
Ecclesiastical parish: Swinton St Peter
Town: Swinton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

.Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Worsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
James Cooney 28
Emily Cooney 38
Maria Wray 16
David H Grundy 3

Name: Ann Hague
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

.Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Steven Crowsdale 36
Margaret Crowsdale 33
Ellen Crowsdale 11
Maggie Crowsdale 3
Ann Hague 40
Clara Hague 4
Mary J Igo 29
Mary Ann Igo 8

thanks mike i will be on to it in the morning. night folks

The marriage doesn't specify who partnered whom.
I wouldn't count on that record until you get it confirmed that you are indeed looking for Ann Byrne and Edward Hague.

That information will be on Clara's birth certificate.

The marriage certificate of Clara and David will tell you their father's names and occupations.

I would suggest buying these two certs first and then working backwards with the information they provide.

Perhaps someone could look up this entry from 1901 census.
I'm afraid I don't have access.


1901
David H Grundy - 3 - Born Little Hulton Lancashire - residing Swinton & Pendlebury - Juvenile

Hi Mike, I am a bit consfused i am new to this as if you didnt realise 2 weeks in and not got very far, June 1894 Ann byrne would that be a marriage between Edward hague or alfred calligan, i am hopeless at this i have found links for my mums side all over the place and completely wrong. is some of this down to good guess work as well as past records? could I find any information for David Harold Grundy on the original marriage certificate for clara and David. cheers joanne

This looks like Clara's birth.
You would need to buy the certificate to see the details.
It would also confirm if Ann was indeed Ann Byrne.

Births Mar 1897 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hague Clara - Prestwich 8d 421


You can find this info at freebmd
LINK :
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl


To order certs online go to
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

sorry mike we must be typing at the same time, we dont really know anything about ann, my mum was the youngest of seven and nobody spoke about relatives apart from stern granny hague, my mum has no info. on her dad no parents names or anything, his parents dishowned him when he married my nana! mystery in manchester! thanks again Mike.

Guessing .....

Marriages Jun 1894 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>>>>>>>Byrne Ann Manchester 8d 331
Calligan Alfred Manchester 8d 331
>>>>>>>>>>Hague Edward Manchester 8d 331
Marks Mary Jane Manchester 8d 331
Swann Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 331

I take it this is the census entry

1901 Ann Hague -40- Manchester Manchester Manchester Charwoman