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I would be v. grateful if somebody could look up John Joseph Hanks in old Canadian passenger lists - I think he appears on at least one. He was born in Birmingham in 1905. I believe other Hanks siblings may be on these also, especially Harry Hanks. Any info would be great.

Cheers,
Hazel.

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about John Joseph Hanks
Name: John Joseph Hanks
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 18 Years 11 Months
Date of Arrival: 13 Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Leamington Spa, England
Ship Name: Ausonia

travelled 3rd class
tidenton or gidenton Ontario
occupation tool maker
intended occupation farm worker
single
church of england
going to mr nelson dann (employer)]
ilderton ontario

nearest relatives in uk
mum and dad mr mrs hanks
8 portland place leamington spa

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
about John Joseph Hanks
Name: John Joseph Hanks
Arrival Date: 6 Feb 1951
Age: 45
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1905
Birthplace: Birmingham
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied By: Wife Elsie
Departure Contact: Mother Edith

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_27

occupation estimator
last address toronto canada
mother edith addess 15 otter cr toronto ontario
going to florida to visit mr frank lentalo

Lorraine - Thanks so much for finding that info (I'm in the US, hence the lag in thanking you as I went to bed after the request!). Is there any info about his brother Harry Hanks or sister Edith Amelia Hanks? There were also siblings Thomas and Doris Hanks, but they might be harder to find.

Regards,
Hazel.

Hello Hazel,

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Edith Amelia Hanks
Name: Edith Amelia Hanks
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 5 Nov 1928
Vessel: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14750

Travelling with her father Thomas and going to her mother; Mrs E Hanks, 183 Mavety (??) Street, Toronto.

Last residence was with her Aunt; Mrs Ada Duley, Summer lane, Birmingham............ her father Thomas lists her as his sister.



Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Doris Hanks
Name: Doris Hanks
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1913
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 31 May 1925
Vessel: Letitia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Letitia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14715
Born Birmingham

Travelling with her mother Edith.

last residence was; Father Thomas hanks, 99 Radford Rd, Leamington Spa.

Going to; Aunt, Mrs William Deakin, 8 Daisy Ave, West Toronto.

Her mother states that Mrs Deakin is her sister.



Dee x

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Harry Hanks
Name: Harry Hanks
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 15 Years 6 Months
Date of Arrival: 28 Jul 1923
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Montrose

Nearest UK relative Mother and father; 5 Oxford terrace, Park Rd, Hockley, Birmingham

Present occupation; Errand boy
Intended occupation; farming



Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Thomas Hanks
Name: Thomas Hanks
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 15 Years 6 Months
Date of Arrival: 28 Jul 1923
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Montrose

Same details as Harry. I did note that they were twins.

The only bit of extra info (couldn't make it out on harry's paperwork) is; Destined to C/O Salvation Army Toronto


Dee x

Looks like the father returning;

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Thomas Hanks
Name: Thomas Hanks
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1931
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Letitia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Letitia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Donaldson Line
Official Number: 148847

Occupation; jeweller

Address; Summer lane, Birmingham

Thanks so much for this. This piece of info actually solved a big mystery and started another one. I had always wondered what happened to Ellen Smith, the half-sister of Edith Haile (mother, not daughter), but her name was just too ordinary for me to follow up. So it appears she married a William Deakin and went to Canada. But I found her marriage and she married as Ellen Tingle - long story but it means that her father was not who I thought he was. Any ideas what happened to William and Ellen Deakin in Toronto? Do they appear in census records? Obviously I need to take out a better subscription, but I never thought I had so many relatives in North America!

All this info led me to a death for John Joseph Hanks in Florida, but the rest are a mystery.

Great work, thanks!

Hi Hazel,

This Ellen gives her husband as William Deakin of Buckingham Junction Quebec.

And mother as Mrs HALE of Abbey Street Cindeford.

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Ellen Deakin
Name: Ellen Deakin
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birth Place: Cinderford Gloster
Age: 42
Date of Arrival: Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Megantic


1891 England Census about Ellen Haile
Name: Ellen Haile
[Ellen Tingle]
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Haile
Mother's name: Hannah Haile
Gender: Female
Where born: Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
[Caiderford]
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Haile 33
Hannah Haile 40
Elan Haile 17
Ellen Haile 12
Mary A Haile 7
Edith Haile 6
William Caudle 18


Dee x

Children for Ellen and William.......... all the same addresses as mother gave;

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Ellen Deakin
Name: Ellen Deakin
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 15
Date of Arrival: Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Megantic


Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Marjorie Deakin
Name: Marjorie Deakin
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 10
Date of Arrival: Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Megantic


Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 about Donald Deakin
Name: Donald Deakin
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1920
Birth Place: Birmingham, England
Age: 1 Year 4 Months
Date of Arrival: Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Megantic


Donalds birth registration;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Deakin Donald Tingle W. Bromwich 6b 1692



Dee x

Travelling back to the Uk with William and Ellen;

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Donald Deakin
Name: Donald Deakin
Birth Date: abt 1920
Age: 14
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 12 May 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Montclare
Search Ship Database: View the 'Montclare' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 160505

Proposed address in UK; 21 St Albans Road, St Annes On Sea, Lanon (??)

William and Ellen are aged 56, William is an Engineer by trade.


Dee x

Hazel - our censuses have a 92 y closure, so the next release (of 1921) will be in 2014. In the meantime use the links at:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

Next year, Ancestry will turn over their indices and digitalizations for LAC to put on their free website. This will give better access to 1861/71 and the prairies only 1916. Ancestry's search facility is better than the others, so it still pays to search at Ancestry even if you don't have the sub to see full details. The details they do reveal (like county) help in other searches. AG do have a couple of nice features - they give a surname list at the province, district, and subdistrict levels. They also sometimes have a "link" field on a record which looks up that person other censuses.

This will cover all LAC's holdings from 1851-2 on except 1870 MB and 1891 Victoria BC's special census. LAC doesn't hold most Newfoundland pre-1949 - for these see:

http://ngb.chebucto.org/

Thank you everybody so much for all this information - most of which I thought I'd never find. This has given me a lot to work with. I found a marriage for Ellen Mabel Alice Deakin (the one born in 1906) in Toronto in 1926.

One of the remaining mysteries from this batch (aside from all the Canadian BMDs I have yet to discover) is what happened to William Tingle - maybe you lot will have success where I have failed for ages.

I had the information from the 1891 census but it is hard to know what is correct:

Hannah Haile 40 - she started off Hannah Maria Curtis, born in Stroud in 1850, married an Amos Tingle who died (they had two boys, William and Jacob), then she had Ellen Tingle 3 years after his death, father unknown. Then she married a John Smith, no children to my knowledge. Then she "married" a John Haile or Hale (but I have never found a marriage for them and John Smith was alive and well elsewhere) with whom she had two girls, Mary Anne and Edith Haile. I'm almost certain she died Hannah M. Smith in 1931 in Westbury on Severn.

Elan Haile 17 - this is actually William Tingle
Ellen Haile 12 - this is actually Ellen Tingle, who married William Deakin
Mary A Haile 7 - died young
Edith Haile 6 - married Thomas Hanks

On various census records, the children are named Smith, Tingle, Haile or Hale - all very confusing. Jacob Tingle died young but William Tingle (b. 1873 in Cinderford/Westbury on Severn) is last seen on the 1891 census as Elan Haile - poor transcription. I just can't find what happened to William at all after 1891.

If anybody has access to the 1911 England census, I'd love them to look up Ellen Deakin living in Birmingham, born 1879, and see who else is in the household.

Thanks for any help!

Was hoping to find some mention of her children...


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941 about Hannah Maria Smith
Name: Hannah Maria Smith
Probate Date: 20 Jan 1931
Death Date: 5 Jan 1931
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Gloucester


States;

"Of Abbey Street, Cinderford, Gloucestershire. Widow died 5th January. Probate Gloucester 20th January 1931 to Frank Dykins auctioneer and valuer. Effects £204 7ds 10d"


So at least you know it's her.... but drat no info about William!!!!


Dee x

Thanks so much for this info. I guess this proves she never married Mr. Haile! Yes, pity there is nothing about the children.

Regards,
Hazel.

Here's who JJ was headed to (Ilderton is abt 10km NW of the town of London):

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Middlesex East / 6 London Township / page 11
28 123 Dann Albert M Head M Sep 1860 50 1901
29 123 Dann Phoebe F Wife M Aug 1863 47 1901
30 123 Dann Robert Nelson M Son S Sep 1883 27 1901
31 123 Dann Calvin Kimball M Son S May 1902 9 1901

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON MIDDLESEX (East/Est) (#87)
Subdistrict: London C-11 Page 5
15 47 Dann Albert M Head M Sep 24 1860 40
16 47 Dann Phoebe F Wife M Aug 18 1863 37
17 47 Dann Nelson M Son S Sep 10 1883 17
18 47 Dann Dara F Daughter S Oct 3 1884 16


1901S1 - http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000081218.pdf
1901S2 - http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000082250.pdf
[con 11 lot 10]

1911 - http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002002228.pdf
[con 11 lot 8]

There are concession maps at:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php

The map of London Twp is rotated such that the Western boundary is at the top.
The concession strips are numbered at the bottom, but one has to count up for lots.
(Richard Carry has a lot on Conc 11 Lot 8. Ilderton is on Con 11 Lot 26)
These are 100 acre lots. There are 80 chains in a mile and 10 in a furlong. These lots look like 3 fur x 3 fur = 900 sq chains, but this is only 90 acres so they must be a bit bigger somehow.

Hello Dianna and John,

You have posted on an old thread and it is possible that Lorraine may not see this.

It would be better if you could start a new thread of your own asking for a passenger list look up and put the details on there. There are several members who should be able to help you.

Regards. Cx