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Wow Derik, thanks for the info, could you let me have the census for 1851, it would be a great help. Thanks Vera you might have her in 1871, bless a servent at age 11. No wonder she married so young, she must have lied about her age.

Sorry Vera..was wrong about Sarah Ann..wrong father....the rest is right though...but Sarah was batised St Julian mother Elizabeth....it's a mystery!

Going by what Derek found...

1871
Sarah Ann Brown
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Schrader 29
Charlotte M Schrader 24
John Schrader 4
Mariann Schrader 2
Elizabeth Schrader 1
Sarah Ann Brown 11


Place of birth being different to 1881...if this is the Sarah


Regards Vera

Elizabeth Turnpenny baptised St.Philips Birmingham 24.09.1835..daughter of William and Elizabeth..one of nine children....in 1851 she is a Gold chain maker working for her father a Jeweller...she married Charles brown 16.03.1863 at St. philips Birmingham

Derek

Kathleen,
Been checking the 1871 for Sarah A Turnpenny born 1860...no luck...I wonder what name she is under.

Regards Vera

Thanks Maureen, marriage details realy help. Thanks Vera for 1871, it looks like Sarah Ann didnt live with her mother, Sarah was married in the 1881 she was marreid and living in Birmingham. census, is there no sign of her in 1771

1871???

Charles Brown
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Barningham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias and St Saviour
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Brown 30
Elizabeth Brown 36
Elizabeth Brown 1


Regards vera

Groom's Name Charles Brown
Groom's Birth Date 1842
Groom's Age 21
Bride's Name Elizabeth Turnpenny
Bride's Birth Date 1838
Bride's Age 25
Marriage Date 16 Mar 1863
Marriage Place All Saints, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Groom's Father's Name Henry Brown
Bride's Father's Name William Turnpenny
Groom's Marital Status Single
Bride's Marital Status Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M01014-4
System Origin England-EASy
Source Film Number 1520008
Reference Number it 76 p 21 no 42


Maureen

Hi Vera, that would seem like her, what do you make of it? Do you think her mother went there to have her then left to go back to Birmingham? could you find her in 1871, or her mother who may have been called brown by then, her husband was called Charles browm they married in 1863 Birminham

I think this is the oddest persons history I have come across!

Thanks again
Kathy

Kathleen,
Very sorry to hear about your dog.
Regards Vera

ref..


1861
Sarah A Turnperry Turnpenny on image
Age: 9 MO
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Nursling
Gender: Female
Where born: St Julians

Civil Parish: St Julian
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Shrewsbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shrewsbury
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Corbet 46
Thos H Pritchard 2
Sarah A Turnperry 9 MO


REgards Vera

Have you a year of birth for her?

hi can anyone find 1861 census for Elizabeth Turnpenny. She had a daughter Sarah Ann in Shrewsbury Shropshire in 1860, I believe she was unmarried at the time. She married Charles Brown in 1863 in Birmingham, so in 1871 her name would have changed, I wonder if she also changed her daughters name, if anyone can find the 1871 census they should be on it. Her daughter married also in Birmingham so I expect they would be in the same area
Thanks
Kathy