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can someone please have a look at the 1861 census for me. i have john pitcher born around1816, thanet,kent and his wife eliza pitcher(nee goodwin) born around 1817 also in kent. they have 2 children hannah born 1854 and frederick born 1858 both thanet ,kent. on the 1861 census it shows them with far more children than i knew of, but i cannot read all of their names. cant see hannah but could be annie? its not very clear. on the other hand, maybe i have compketely the wrong family? if this is not the right pitchers, could someone see what they can find, its driving me mad.
thanks florence

1881 - connected?

John PITCHER Head M Male 34 Wye, Kent, England Ag Lab
Eliza PITCHER Wife M Female 33 Lyminge, Kent, England Labourers Wife
John PITCHER Son U Male 10 Hastingleigh, Kent, England Scholar
Edward PITCHER Son U Male 9 Horton, Kent, England Scholar
Richard PITCHER Son U Male 7 Brook, Kent, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 1 Little Coombe
Census Place Hastingleigh, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341227
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0952 / 84
Page Number 1

I wonder if this is the birth of the girl born abt 1843


Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
Pitcher Mary Clara Cent I. of Thanet 5 477
Pitcher May Clara *nt Isle of Thanet 5 477

dont think so aogg, partly because john was born in 1816 and in 1881 would of been 65. thanks anyway

julie is that one of the children from the 1861 census?

1861 England Census about Fredk Pitcher
Name: Fredk Pitcher
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Pitcher
Mother's Name: Eliza Pitcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England
Civil parish: Ramsgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pitcher 45
Eliza Pitcher 46
Marthiena Pitcher 18
Eliza Pitcher 17
John Pitcher 16
Martha Pitcher 12
Ann Pitcher 7
Fredk Pitcher 4

OK I see that John & Eliza didn't marry till 1849

So can you tell us what the relationship is between the older Children & John

1851 England Census about John Pitcher
Name: John Pitcher
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lawrence, Kent, England
Civil parish: Ramsgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Ramsgate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3o
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pitcher 32 shrimper
Eliza Yealden 35 servant housekeeper
Hariet Pitcher 15
Charles Pitcher 13
Clorinda Pitcher 11
Martham Pitcher 9
Eliza Pitcher 7
John Pitcher 5
William Pitcher 3
Martha Pitcher 1

hi lindsey, yes i have looked at this one but where is his wife eliza. they married in 1849 and she didnt die until 1891 in thanet? im not so sure yet about the other six children. i suppose ann could have been hannah? and they could have had some children before they married, not uncommon i guess.

Florence who are you saying he married in 1849 ?

if this helps to pinpoint right family search on frederick pitcher 1871 born 1859 thanet. when it comes up it shows hannah age 14 and frederick aged 12 which is correct. no other children living with them. john is a fisherman, correct. so in 1861 hannah would have been about 4 and frederick 2 but cant make this fit.

lindsey. john pitcher married eliza(nee goodwin) on the 4 may 1849 in hellingly, sussex. on the fam search at that time it says no children when they married.

I'm a bit puzzled that he would marry in Sussex could this be misleading info ?
personally I think it is another couple


1851 England Census about John Pitcher
Name: John Pitcher
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Pitcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Hellingly, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Hellingly
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Hailsham
Sub-registration district: Hailsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pitcher 27
Eliza Pitcher 24
Charles Pitcher 7 MO
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I did ask you a hour ago what is the relationship is between the older Children & John

they are all his sons and daughters , no steps.!
I think we need to find some birth records and maybe buy one to find mother's maiden name .

oh gosh, this has really surprised me and of course it has expanded the family tree. so lindsey you are right, i will have to order at least one of the older childrens birth cets to see whose details are on it.

thanks to you and others today for your help, as always much appreciated
florence

you're welcome , it just goes to show how easy it is to drift off course ! good hunting.

I have to agree with Lindsey on that marriage

Do you not have a B/C for one of the children

What was the outcome when this family was mentioned on another thread of yours as it is to long to read it all

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1186911&pk=6948721&jump=6948721#6948721

hi julie, no i dont have any birth certs so will have to order one of the older ones i guess. yes i did have another thread, that was when hannah pitcher got married to a henry syrett in 1901. she had a daughter prior to that and trying to find her was the problem due to the spelling of the surname van covenden/coevorden etc. i did eventually trace sophie as van convander but not her father, who supposedly was either alex or charles. that was a very long saga.

im still hopeful that one fine day i will find out when hannanh married first and who to, but thats another day.
thanks for all your help