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My father had two siblings that were born and died between 1898 to 1911.Have searched BMD records for this period with no luck in finding them,can anybody help or give advise where to research data. My grandparents were William Brooker [1876 - 1910] and Maria Maddock [1875 - 1962] and married in Oct - Dec 1897 Many thanks Ann

I take it this is your grandparent's marriage:-

Name: Edward William Brooker
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lewisham
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2047

Also on the same page is Maria Maddock.

Do you have the family in the 1901 and 1911 census? If so can you give the details?

Kath. x

Yes ,you have right marriage Ann

Hi is this the family in 1901 and 1911 census

1911 census

Household information
Address 45 Porthcawe Road L Sydenham
Parish Lewisham
Town L Sydenham
Type of Building Flat
Number of Rooms 3
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN2823 RG78PN96 RD29 SD4 ED17 SN47
Administrative County London
Registration District Lewisham
Registration Sub District Sydenham
Enumeration District 17

Householder 1
Name Maria Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married / 13 Years
Total Children Born Alive 8
Children Still Living 6
Children Who Have Died 2
Gender F
Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1874
Occupation Charwoman
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth West Ham

Householder 2
Name Arthur James Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth L Sydenham S E

Householder 3
Name Thomas Percy Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1901
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Stratford London E

Householder 4
Name Elizabeth Kate Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Stratford London E

Householder 5
Name Frederick Chaz Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1906
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Penge Kent

Householder 6
Name John Edm Brooker
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 7 Months
Estimated Year of Birth 1911
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth L Sydenham



1901 census

Address 15 Laindon Avenue
Civil Parish West Ham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St James
Parliamentary Borough or Division Northern Division Of West Ham Boro
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District West Ham County Boro
Administrative County Borough Of West Ham

Householder 1
Name Arthur James Brooker
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Sydenham Ldn
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Maria Brooker
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born West Ham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name William Edwd Brooker
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Electrician
Employment Status
Where Born Anerley Surrey
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name William Joshna Brooker
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Sydenham Ldn
Language
Infirmity

The right family , they all used second names only except my father John which caused confusion to me , no mention of the other two children Thanks Ann

They obviously died as infants and would not be on any census. They could also have been still born and not registered

jax

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Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%)
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BROOKER Marian Ethel 1 Lewisham 1d 631

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1911 asked the question about children born alive......not stillborn.

I know that but people dont always read or understand the question it was just a thought

jax

1911 in a format I can comprehend.........

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BROOKER, Maria
Address: 45 Porthcawe Road L Sydenham

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BROOKER, Maria Head Married
13 years F 37 1874 Charwoman West Ham VIEW
BROOKER, Arthur James Son M 12 1899 L Sydenham S E VIEW
BROOKER, Thomas Percy Son M 10 1901 Stratford London E VIEW
BROOKER, Elizabeth Kate Daughter F 6 1905 Stratford London E VIEW
BROOKER, Frederick Chaz Son M 5 1906 Penge Kent VIEW
BROOKER, John Edm Son M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 L Sydenham VIEW

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Has William Joshua been traced in 1911?

Fair enough, jax...........

This resolves the query about William Joshua....he served in WW1

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: William Joshua Brooker
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Age at Enlistment: 23
Birth Parish: Lower Sydneham
Birth County: Kent
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 10042
Regiment Name: Royal Army Ordnance Corps
Number of Images: 2

Marian could be a sister ,seems a possible match, will also try to research Joshua around 1911 as suggested.

Thanks for Army details ,didn't have this

Will have to check Death Cert that the right child , but is there anyway I can find the other brother or sister assuming not stillborn , if not, thanks for all your input Ann

I take it you have looked at freebmd? There are a number of deaths for children in the name of Brooker in West ham where some of the children were born, so it is not easy without buying all the certs. It would narrow it down if they had been baptised

jax

This could be one but only guessing from the name of the mother

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Brooker Maria 1 W. Ham 4a 49


This is her birth so she had two names

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Brooker Maria Elizabeth W Ham 4a 86

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It appears the only way will be study the various Birth and Death Certs of these children ,looks like a trip to London is called ,but many thanks for your data regards Ann