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Hi Everybody,Much to my disappointment I have come to the conclusion, after having received the two birh certificates of Henry John Bailey, born St. Giles, that neither of them is my grandfather, Henry Bailey. So I am now back to square one to start from scratch with my search, from a different angle. In my grandfather's army papers, which I obtained from the National Archives, Kew, it stated that his next of kin was Charles Bailey, father, 35, Burton (or Buxton) Crescent, London, W.5 (or W.S) but this information was crossed out sometime between 1893 and 1902, making it difficult to read, and underneath is written: no living relatives. Friend: Styles Willis, 17 Moray Road, Tollington Parik, London. I have traced Styles Willis as having been born in Greenwich area. My grandfather joined the Royal Army Medical Corps in 1893 at Aldershot and was discharged in South Africa in 1902, having been sent here for the duration of the Anglo Boer War (1899-1902) He settled here permanently at the end of the war. I have no idea who this Charles Bailey was, as we have always been under the impression that he never knew his parents, but perhaps he did know the name of his father but never met him. I have studied every Henry Bailey for the last ten years, but have been unable to trace my grandfather, so I am now wondering whether he could have been registered or christened as either Henry Charles Bailey or Charles Henry Bailey (He always thought he was born c. 1873, and mentioned that he had grown up in the east of London(Greenwich,perhaps?) Below is a list of the possibilities I have extracted from the Free BMD. Would anybody be willing to try and find any of these nine entries and see whether there is a Charles Bailey listed as the father? Perhaps a baptism record could give us a possible clue? Here are the nine entries:
1.Henry Charles Bailey Sept. ! 1873 Marylebone1a 547
2. Henry Charles Bailey June Q.1874 Islington 1b 275
3. Henry Charles Bailey March Q. 1876 Kensington 1a 30
4. Charles Henry Bailey June Q. 1870 Whitechapel 1c 325
5. Charles Henry Bailey June Q. 1872 1872 Kensington 1a 90
6. Charles Henry Bailey June Q. 1873 St. Savious Southwark 1d 90
7. Charles Henry Bailey June Q. 1874 Whitechapel 1c 337
8. Charles Henry Bailey Dec. Q. 1875 St. Saviours Southwark 1d 148
9. CharlesHenry Bailey June Q. 1875 Islington 1b 344

I much appreciated all the help everybody has given me in the past, and after ten years of searching I am now clutching at straws!
Lorraine

Hi Margaret

Yes, thingsare a bit complicated. The birth certificate for Henry John bailey born 15th September, 1871, states that his father is a plumber, but that his mother's name is Ellen, not Anne! The reason why I am looking for somebody having been born in St. Giles is because the Henry Bailey admitted to Strand Union Children's Establishment, Edmonton, in 1878 was sent there by the Parish of St. Giles. As far as I can make out, none of the people we have found so far fit into the picture. Especially as both the Henry John Bailey born in 1870 and the one born in 1871 both had brothers and sisters, and were presumably still living together as families in 1881(whereas the Henry Bailey from St. Giles had been living in Edmonton since 1878). Can one find out when the parents of the two St. Giles born Henry John Baileys died? If they were both still alive in 1881 then I am on the wrong track My grandfather always thought he was an only child. The Henry John Bailey born in 1870, father John Bailey and mother Frances Alice Bailey) gives his father's occupation asGas Fitter and Bell Hager (Master)
Lorraine

Sorry, Lorraine, if I'm confusing you as much as I'm confusing myself, I'm no help at all.
Checking back I see that the Henry that married Frances Alice was a blacksmith at time of marriage but then on birth certificate you have he's a gas fitter.

This looks like Henry & Frances Alice in 1881 but, dagnabbit, he's a plumber! Isn't he supposed to be the gas fitter?

1881 England Census
about Frances Ann Bailey
Name: Frances Ann Bailey
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 24 Grafton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bailey 31
Frances Ann Bailey 31
Henry John Bailey 10
Rosina Ann Bailey 6
Edgar George Bailey 4
Emily Clara Bailey 2
Frances Maud Bailey 1
Henry Patley 30
James Atkins 55
Nukefore Nateleples 41

Oops! Just noticed she's Frances Ann not Frances Alice.

Looks like Henry & Frances Alice were still having children in 1880's:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lydia Florence Bailey
Name: Lydia Florence Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1885
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1885
Father's Name: Henry Bailey
Mother's Name: Frances Alice Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Augustine
Borough: Westminster

Original says he's a gas fitter.

Possible?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry Bailey
Name: Henry Bailey
Age: Minor
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Frances Alice Marchant
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Oct 1869
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Thomas Bailey
Spouse Father Name: William Marchant

Original says he's a blacksmith, his father a blacksmith, her father a gardener. Address for both Lambeth Walk. Witnesses Richard Filby & Mary Piper.

Hi Potty
I have just received the birth certificates of both Henry Baileys born in St Giles North, as folows:

Henry John Bailey
When and where born: 5 November, 1870. 67 New Compton Street
Father: Henry Bailey
Mother: Frances Alice Bailey formerly Marchant
Occupation of father: Gas Fitter and Bell Hanger (Master)
RegistrationDistrict: St. Giles
1870 Birth in the Sub-district of St. Giles North
County of Middlesex.


Can anybody find this family in the 1871 and 1881 Censuses?

The other birth certificate I received was:

Henry John Bailey
Whenand where born: 15th September,1871 Che...Mews
Father:Henry Bailey
Mother Ellen Bailey formerly Rogers
Occupation of father: Plumber
1871 Birth in the Sub-district of St Giles North in the County ofMiddlessex
Registration district St. Giles.


Can anybodyfind the marriage of Harry Bailey and Frances Alice Marchant?

Also, can thefirst family be found in the1871Census,and both families in the 1881Census?
I cannot find theMarriage of Henry Bailey and FrancesAlice,nor their deaths. If both families are found in the 1881Census then neither of their sons, Henry Bailey, is my grandfather, as I then cannot prove that the boy admitted to Strand Union Children'sEstablishment Edmonton in 1878
was one of these boys, born in St. Giles.
Lorraine.

Hi Londonbelle,

I found the following death in Free BMD

Death March 1870
Clara Bailey Aged 21 Kensington 1a 78

But that was before HenryJohn Bailey was christened in Dec. 1871.
Perhaps an incorrect entry somewhere?

Hi Londonbelle,

No, Henry Bailey married in Cape Town, South Africa in 1903. I have his marriage certificate, which only stated that both he and his wife came from England.
Lorraine

Did Henry marry in this country?

Thanks ,Potty. After having searched for grandfather's "roots" for ten years I have still not solved the mystery. Perhaps he wasn't orphaned at an early age after all but decided to forget his past and start a new, very successful life in South Africa. Wil this mystery ever be solved?
Lorraine.

Did your grandfather know his actual birthdate? There's this one born 19 Nov.1871:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry John Bailey
Name: Henry John Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1871
Baptism Date: 17 Dec 1871
Father's Name: John Frist Bailey
Mother's Name: Clara Pettifor Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill St Mark
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

This looks like the marriage of that couple:

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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Bailey John Trist Kensington 1a 176
Ward Clara Pettifer Kensington 1a 176

I think this is the Henry from the 1871 in 1881 - so I am sorry,not your grandfather:

Henry Bailey
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Bailey
Mother's Name: Annie Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 87 Cornwall St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bailey 35
Annie Bailey 26
Henry Bailey 10
Annie Bailey 8
Elizabeth Bailey 3
Emily Bailey

Henry Snr's occupation (Wine Porter) is the same in 1871 and they are living at 85 Cornwall Street.

This is the first time I have found this Henry Bailey in the 1871 Census. Grandfather told me many years ago that he grew up in the east of London, "in the shadow of London Bridge and Tower of London" and was placed in an orphanage at an early age. Is it possible to find out where and when his parents died, orphaning him at an early age? Henry's age in the Census sounds correct, as the Henry Bayley admitted to the Edmonton orphanage in April, 1878 was aged 8. Perhaps after his parents died he was admitted from the St. Giles area by an "uncle"?
His surname was spelt Bailey in the 1881 Census, Edmonton. Or can another orphaned Henry Bailey be traced in the Middlesex area in the 1881 Census? He might have been born a year or two later, as he didn't know his exact date of birth.
Lorraine

Unfortunately I do not know my grandfather's father's name - neither did he! My grandfather never found out who his parents were.
I know grandfather was placed in an orphanage at an early age, and there is a Henry Bailey/yiley admitted to The Strand Union Children's Establishment, Edmonton, from St. Giles area, in 1878. I am trying to find out whether I can prove that one of the two births registered in St. Giles in 1870 and 1871 was my grandfather. In the 1881 Census Henry Bailey, from Middlesex, was an inmate of The Strand Union Children's Establishment. Is it possible to trace him in the 1871Census,without know his father's name?
Lorraine

Only Henry Bailey born in the London area of the right age in 1871:

1871 England Census
about Henry Bailey
Name: Henry Bailey
Age: 5 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Bailey
Mother's Name: Ann Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in The East
Civil parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bailey 22
Ann Bailey 18
Henry Bailey 5 Months

The one born 1870 should be on the 1871 census. Do you know your grandfather's father's name?

There are two births registered in Free BMD for a Henry John Bailey. I am trying to find out whether one of them was my grandfather.
They are
Henry John Bailey 1871 Dec. St. Giles 1b 524
or
Henry John Bailey 1870 Dec St. Giles 1b 533

If anybody can find a record of the baptism of either of the above people in Parish Records it could help me who and where they were baptised, and who the parents were.
Granddaughter