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Hello again, got stuck on William James, bn in 1852 in Ripon Yorks, beieve he may have married Hannah Coucill in Ripon in 1871 and may have fathered Louisa Warwick in 1878. Seems to be a huge gap between marriage and children and I lost track of them after 1881, can't believe they all died!
Help if possible please, much appreciated.

Have you bought any of the certificates?

Just for background:
1861 England Census
William James Warwick
Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's Name: Christopher Warwick Mother's Name: Mary Ann Warwick
Gender: Male Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Scarborough Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough
Christopher Warwick 32
Mary Ann Warwick 35
Guy Warwick 10
William James Warwick 8
Edwin Warwick 6
Louisa Warwick 4
Frederick Warwick 1
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3616; Folio: 37; Page: 16; GSU roll: 543161.

They didn't marry in Ripon - it was Bolton:-

Name: Hannah Coucill
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bolton
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 389

Also on the page is William James Warwick.

Kath. x

Age possibly mis-read:
1871 England Census
William J Warwick Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: Christopher Warwick Mother's Name: Mary A Warwick
Gender: Male Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Farnworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 74

Christopher Warwick 42
Mary A Warwick 45
William J Warwick 14
Edwin Warwick 16
Louisa Warwick 15
Fredrick A Warwick 11
Anne Warwick 9
Thomas Warwick 6
Christopher G Warwick 3

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3918; Folio: 88; Page: 15; GSU roll: 842052.

Is this Louisa's birth (1879 instead of 1878) :-

Name: Louisa Warwick
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bolton
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 297

Kath. x

Can't find a Louisa with parents William and Hannah in Yorkshire in 1881 but there is this William and Hannah:

1881 England Census
about James W. Warwick
Name: James W. Warwick
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Warwick
Mother's Name: Hannah Warwick
Gender: Male
Where born: Crigglestone, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Crigglestone
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hall Green
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Sandal
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Warwick 34
Hannah Warwick 32
Emma Warwick 10
Jane Warwick 8
Bertha Warwick 6
James W. Warwick 3
Edith Warwick 1

Hi, got some certificates, got the 1861 census and the 1871 copy also, think the age is wrong since he couldn't be 14 if Edwin is 16, it's unclear on the 1871 census as it is crossed out, age that is, but being born in 1852 would make him 19 surely.
I am not sure that he did marry Hannah, it would mean he moved from Ripon to Bolton in the same year which is a big move for a 19 year old house painter surely?

Plenty of people moved around all over the country at that time - start of the railways helped.

You need to start with what you know for a fact. How have you got back to William James Warwick?

Kath. x

This can't be my William, in 1881 he would have been 29 not 34, thank you anyway.

Not sure what you mean by how far back? Have certificate of his parents marriage, only got census from then, one of his brothers is one of my direct ancestors and have that line confirmed. I just began to go sideways along the siblings as I connected with one of the other decendants which got me curious.
Christopher & Mary Ann seem to have been awfully unlucky with the mortality rate of their children. x

From Lancsbmd - looks like he did marry Hannah:

WARWICK William J COUCILL Hannah Farnworth & Kearsley Parish Church, St John The Evangelist Bolton

If they are not direct ancestors what made you think that he MAY have married Hannah Coucill? What made you think he MAY have fathered Louisa Warwick in 1878? You have to start with facts - not just something that you think he did.

Kath., x

The Bolton marriage is the only one that I can see for a William James Warwick. I would get that certificate and see if his father is who you think it should be and go from there.

Kath. x

Well that ties in the Farnworth & Bolton connection, his younger brother moved to Bolton as well so maybe it is my William James, but, where the heck did he go to?

True, following another line but lost the contact so can't authenticate now sadly.

The 1871 census which has William James transcribed as age 14 is the right family - his age is probably 18 on the image, and the family are already in Bolton so it makes the marriage to Hannah seem to be the right one.

Name: William J Warwick
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Christopher Warwick
Mother's Name: Mary A Warwick
Gender: Male
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Farnworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Warwick 42
Mary A Warwick 45
William J Warwick 14 (looks like 18 on image)<<<<<<<<<<<
Edwin Warwick 16
Louisa Warwick 15
Fredrick A Warwick 11
Anne Warwick 9
Thomas Warwick 6
Christopher G Warwick 3

Kath. x

I think this is William James Warwick's wife in the 1881 census (married but no husband present. She is with her brother and sister-in-law):-

Name: Hannah Warwick
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Sister in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Cowsill Sq
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Cotton Winder
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

William Barnes 42
Harriet Barnes 45
Susannah Ward 8
Hannah Warwick 30
Lousia Warwick 2

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3814; Folio: 86; Page: 41; GSU roll: 1341912.

Kath. x

Hannah is with her sister Harriet, and there is a Louisa which ties in with the family I was following ...... and of course the family were in Farnworth, must've been a brain fade moment there, sorry about that.
Many thanks

Just an update to the above, we have found William James on the passenger list going from Liverpool to Philidelphia in 1881, which explains his absence from the census.
Hannah & Louisa appear to have followed, presumably that same year as Hannah's age is given as 30 on the passenger list but Louisa is shown as 11?
This must be an error since she would quite clearly only be 2 years old, and, in the 1900 US census, her birth year is quite clearly given as 1879.
Unless there is a second Hannah & Louisa Warwick since, in 1885 Hannah Warwick (wife) is shown on another passenger list travelling from Liverpool to Philly with daughter Louisa who is now just 6 years old, problem is, Hannah is shown as 32 wheareas, if she is the same one as appears in the 1881 census she would have been 35.
I must assume that some of the records are not as accurate as one would hope.