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James McLoughlin (changed later to McLauchlan) supposedly born 1834 or 1837 in Liverpool. Named his father as Dinny (daniel) McLouchlin, named his mother as 1. Nancy Denham on his marrige cert, 2. Ann Renwick on his death cert.

Only James I can find with Daniel as a father is James Gorton McLoughlin baptised Manchester Cathederal 14/05/1837.

My James had a family bible and recorded his date of birth as 14/05/1837, which was then altered to 1834 by crossing out the 7. Married Jane Morrison in Castlemaine Australia 20/11/1860. From there on I have his descendants.

I have no idea if I have found the right James McLoughlin or not, but can find no record of his birth in Liverpool as he claimed. He was a mariner, sailed to Australia and jumped ship went to the goldfields and met Jane...the rest history.I would very much appreciate any assistance in finding either a James McLoughlin being born in Liverpool, or someone being able to find out something further about James Gorton McLoughlin so I can prove it is my GGGrandfather or not.

I feel that I have the correct man, as he would have sailed from Liverpool, but may well have been born in Lancashire. I do know he is buried in NZ where he came in the later part of the 1800's so there will be no death record for him in the UK. I have also checked the old bailey records to see if he had been transported for some reason but found nothing (unlike one of my other ancestors!!)

All or any help no matter how small would be greatly appreciated.

Roz...Not a great deal of help I'm afraid but these are other children born to Daniel and "Jemima"... (Not Nancy/Ann)...Manchester Cath.
The other suggestion would be to try and locate him as a seaman on a Census but dont think thats going to bring much joy...
Does it say what Dinny's occupation was on James MC..?

1. MARY MC LAUGHLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 JUL 1849 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

2. DANIEL MC LOUGHLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 OCT 1854 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

3. SARAH ELLEN MC LAUGHLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 JUL 1849 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

4. JAMES GORTON MC LOUGHLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAY 1837 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

James Gorton McLoughlin's mother appears to have been Jemima?

This does not seem to fit with what you have posted above:

Baptisms: 14 May 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Gorton McLoughlin - Son of Daniel McLoughlin & Jemima
Born: 5 Apr 1835
Abode: Salford
Occupation: Dyer
Baptised by: H. Fielding
Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 337, Entry 2693
Source: LDS Film 1545611

Dea x

It can't be him if 'your' James was in Australia in 1860.

James G was still living with his parents(Daniel + Jemima), + siblings in Salford on 1861 census - unmarried, and a 'Linen Finisher'

Dea x

Hi Dea, thanks for the census information which would seem to prove that James Gorton McLoughlin is not my GG Grandfather.

The Danny (Dinny?) McLoughlin named as his father on the MC and Nancy Denham as mother seems more likely to be accurate than the death certificate which would have been provided by his family rather than him.

His fathers occupation was listed as bootmaker on his MC in Australia 1860.

Thanks Roz

Hello and thanks for your response,

The occupation of Danny (Dinny?) on the MC was Bootmaker. I think the listing of his parents on that document provided by him, were more likely to be correct than his death record, as it would have been provided by his wife/ children.

Is there a listing at all for professions like bootmakers that would show his father as an apprentice?

Really appreciate everyones suggestions/ research and assistance.

Very happy to help with searches in Australia and New Zealand in return.

Roz...It may be a case of ploughing through all the Daniel McLoughlin's to find a Bootmaker !!...Patience gets rewarded ...may take some time..!!

Erin - you have changed your name to pull in with the Easter Rising !!

Roz,

I will look again in the morning to see if I can come up with something for you.

Dea x

Is there a register online that I could search for his father who was listed as a bootmaker. I would assume that there is an apprenticeship for that and some sort of records would be kept?

Thanks Roz

On Family Search I have now found a likely candidate being a James McLoughlin showing in the UK 1851 census age 18 years. That would fit with his likely DOB being 1834.

The listing shows his place of birth as Londonderry Coleraine, and the record type was institution. I have not found his birth registration on family search.

Can someone perhaps have a look at the census listing and please tell me what type of institution this is likely to be? I can think of an orphanage, prison or workhouse? If so, is there somewhere that I could look to access those records.

Is that simply going down yet another dead end as I would have no way of proving that this is the correct man?

He was a soldier:

MCLAUGHLIN, James Unmarried M 18 1833 Private 95 Regiment Londonderry Coleraine

Registration District: Portsea Island Sub District: Portsea Town
Ecclesiastical Parish: Trinity

Civil Parish: Portsea Municipal Borough: Portsmouth
Address: Portsea, Portsmouth County: Hampshire

thank you for providing that information.

It is possible this is my GGG Grandfather who sailed to Australia as an able bodied seaman. I a not cetain if I will ever be able to prove any of this though as no one seems to be looking for him and I do not know of any siblings at all.

I will now try and access his enlistment details as I would assume that his parents will be named and that may be the only link.

I am happy to reciprocate with any possible research in New Zealand or some parts of Australia as acknowledgement for anyone who assists me with my searches.

Kind regards and thanks, Roz.

James McLoughlin aged 5 with family to Victoria Australia on the GRINDLAY in Oct 1841, Parents Patrick aged 39 Mother mary aged 39 sisters Catherine, 10, Ellen 14, Mary 9, and brother William aged 8. They came from Ireland.
Regards John Mason.

He went to NZ in Feb 1863 aged 30 on the Storm Cloud to Port Charmers.
I believe Jane left before him in January on the Storm Cloud.
To be sure of his parents check online with the Victorian Public Records Office and search Marriages, this is a pay per view site.
Regards John.

Hi John,

thanks for that input, I do have his and Janes Marriage certificate from Castlemaine NSW which shows completely different parents names and place of birth to that in your first post.

I do feel he sailed to Australia as a sailor, as I have found a Jas McLoughlin on a ships register as an AB Seaman. He certainly did not appear to have any other rellies in Australia when he met the morrison family and married Jane.

Simon Morrison kept an extensive journal of ther Morrison early years in Victoria, and no mention was made of the McLoughlin family members....any family story states he was a sailor and travelled alone.

I believe that your second post about the Storm Cloud is most certainly them, and thank you very much for that.

Have found another possible link for James in Liverpool. 1841 census James McLauchlan DOB 1837 born in Lancashire , Census was taken in Liverpool, howard Street, Great Vauxhall Ward.

Also in the house are Patrick, Ann, (parents born in Ireland) Elizabeth, Judith and James.

1. Can someone please assist with telling me how to trace a marriage for Patrick born 1796 and Ann born 1801 both in Ireland. I am not familiar at all with irish records. I have tried IGI searches to no avail

2. If Ann's maiden surname is Renwick, then is that an Irish name?

3. Are there immigration records that I can use to find Patrick and Ann arriving in England,all children are listed as born in Lancashire so arrival will be prior to 1826.

Many thanks

I have now found this on the Lancashire online parish clerk project. I believe that the father of the groom, Daniel McLaughlin, is also the father of my James. His name and occupation match exactly that on my Australian Marriage certificate for James to Jane Morrison, and my James was a Mariner like his "brother" Charles listed here.


Marriage: 31 Jul 1838 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles McLaughlin - Full Mariner Bachelor of Peter St
Mary Ann Cocks - Full Spinster of Peter St
Groom's Father: Daniel McLaughlin, Boot & Shoe Maker
Bride's Father: William Cocks, Victualler
Witness: Emanuel Cocks; Elizabeth Cocks
Married by Banns by: Cecil Wray Asst Minister
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1842, Page 64, Entry 127
Source: LDS Film 1656206

I can not find this McLaughlin family on census, or any other records in the online search. Can anyone help?