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Thankyou for that.
Pam

Hi Pam,its on 1911 census but she is down as Alice Walter.
Its definately her as it says Waller on original.

Maryb

Hi Mary I cant find this info on the website. Can you tell me where you got it from so that I can attach it to my tree ?
Also thankyou for the help
Pam

1911 187 Fowler St Sheffield
Alice Waller 54 Widow
Alice 28
Samuel 32
George Victor
11 children born 4 died.

Death Alice waller Sheffield 1934 age 76 0c 543.

Maryb

Hi I need help again. I am trying to trace an Alice Waller nee Hartley born 1857. I have census records for her up to 1901. After that she disappears. I know that one of her children was born in America in 1883. She then returned with only the children by 1887. I cant find the husband Charles after the 1891 census although she is registered as still married. Any help as always gratefully recieved. Pam

On the 1901 census where it says the 15 year old Samuel was an "errand boy. port" it simply means that he worked at a port or docks somewhere as an errand boy (running errands or messages for other people who worked there). A lot of boys would have started out doing a job like this and then as they got older moved up to do more important jobs.

Pamela - please try to come back to your thread more quickly as people like to know that you have seen the information they have given you.

Kath. x

Pamela if you google Thomas Parkinson Teal,on the first page of results go to Chapter7 owned by www.Tealfamily.co.uk

Scroll down and there is info on Thomas plus photo of Sarah Ann Teal 1897-1947.

Maryb

Sam Worsley born J/A/S 1891 in Ecclesall 9c 449 to Charles William Worsley 1869 - 1931 and Sarah Ann Hukin 1872 - 1961 in Bradford

They were married A/M/J 1891 9c 393.

Sam Worsley married Elsie Ann teal 1926 she was born 1897 died 1947.
Her parents were Thomas Parkinson Teal 1851 Fewston near Otley and Sarah Ann Newbold.

Thomas P Teal died 7/5/1929 and left £120 8s 5d to Elsie Ann Worsley wife of Sam Worsley.

Maryb

Re Samuel Worsley born 1886. In the 1901 census he is 15 years old and listed as errent boy port. Does anyone know what that means ? Would be very interested for anyone to shed some light on this . Thanks.

Well I was on the wrong track about my father.
It turns out he was born as Samuel Worsley in 1920 in Sheffield. I have found that he had 2 brothers , Charles born 1917 and Horace 1915 both in Sheffield. Their birth mothers name was Alice Hartley and she married Samuel Worsley in 1914 in Sheffield..She died in 1925 aged 32 .
My father was adopted by Horace and Maria Hartley. Alice Hartley was Horace Hartley's sister. I cannot find what happened to his 2 brothers. They could have been adopted as well. If Anyone out there has any advice to give to me on this it will as always be gratefully recieved
Pam

Thankyou but I already know what Horaces fathers name is. What I dont know and can't find is what my fathers birth name was and who his mother was other than she was Horaces sister i think her name was Alice Hartley born 1894. After that , nothing.
Pam

If you are certain that Horace was your grandmother's brother then if I was you I would buy Horace's marriage certificate (as detailed in an earlier post) as that should give you Horace's father's name (who will also by your grandmother's father). You can then look for them in the census.

Kath. x

I found that I had the wrong family posted by travelman. I havn't sent for any birth certificates because I have been told that
a) as he was adopted this is very difficult because I might be asking for the wrong certificate.
b) As he was adopted I have to have any living relatived permission.
Do you know if this is correct ?
Any help would be gratefully recieved
Pam

Pamela did you get any answers re your query of January 2011 asking for information on bmd's for the Sheffield Hartleys?

Your question re Joseph HArtleys birth date on his death certificate - the information is only as good as is known to the person registering the death, the 23rd September seems a coincidence though. Did you ever get the birth certificate that Dea asked about and was posted by Travelman?

Hello.I need help again re samuel hartley
I have his death certificate and on that it gives his birth date as 23rd September 1920. I cannot find anyone of that name in the birth register only joseph hartley. My sister has said that she has his birth date as 23rd September 1917. Is it possible for his death certificate to have the wrong birthdate bearing in mind that he was adopted. I am finding tracking him very difficult and wondered if anyone out there can shed some light on this for me. I do hope so and would be very gratefull for any info
Pam

Was the info already given of any assistance to you Pamela?

Did you get the birth cert?

Dea x

Hello
Doe's anyone out there know any info on the Hartley family of Sheffield. I have the names of all the children and parents but am at a brick wall re births marrages and deaths, they are as follows
Albert 1856-1913
Charlotte 1856-1926
Parents of
Frank
Albert
William
Percy
Benjamin
Horace
Alice

Was he born 23/9/1920 and died Sheffield 1976.
Did he marry in High Wycombe in 1947 as Samuel and died as Samuel Hartley is that correct.

Did you know him as Samuel or Joseph?

Maryb

Gladys Winnifred hartley 1889 married 1914 in halifax to Louis Joe Palmer she died 1922 in childbirth..She had John 1916 - 2004 and Joyce 1922 died 1922.
Horace Randolph hartley 1891 maybe married 1921 in halifax to Alice Summerskill,he died Halifax 1971.

These deaths would match your Horace and wife Maria.

Maria Bownes born Sheffield 15/9/1893 died Sheffield as Maria Hartley 1980.

Maria Bownes reg O/N/D 1893 Sheffield 9c 540.

Horace Hartley died Sheffield 1975 he was born 1894.

Joseph Thomas Hartley born 9/8/1920 died Worth valley 1973 2c 180 this could the one born in Skipton mum nee Hartley.
Maryb