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Hi Catherine
Sorry I haven't replied before.
Thank you so much for all your help, you have given me a lot to add to my tree. Got a copy of my Grandads birth cert and it say mothers name is Lily, I can only assume that this is what she was known by as the info was supplied by the midwife.
Many thanks once again
Julie

James Joseph MEASURES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: SEP 1841 Wood Walton, Huntingdon, England
Father: William MEASURES
Mother: Sarah CLARKE
(submitted entry)

James Joseph MEASURES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 1865 Abbots Ripton, Huntingdon, England
Spouse: Elizabeth ORBELL
(submitted entry)

Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
Measures James Joseph Huntingdon 3b 333
Measures James Joseph Huntingdon 3b 333
Orbell Elizabeth Huntingdon 3b 333
(confirms)

I would be interested to know exactly what the marriage cert. of Eleanor says?

As Eleanor is living Spalding area in 1891/1901 I'm wondering if this could be her mother Elizabeth (despite the place of birth being different to 1871 census)?

1881
Name: Elizabeth Measures
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Deeping St Nicholas
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hop Pole Ness
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Occupation: Inn Keeper

Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Deeping St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Measures 36
Stephens Measures 3
John Robinson 35 - Boarder
John Scotney 11- Boarder
Henery Barsby 40 - Boarder
George Brewin 36 - Visitor born: Tempsford, Bedfordshire

she states she is widow, but could be that they were just separated ...........occupation would fit with 1871!

Well parents hadn't died by 1881:-

Name: James Measures
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Wood Walton, Huntingdon, England

Civil parish: Harringworth
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address: Park Lodge Farm House
Condition as to marriage: Married (not noted as widow...so?)

Occupation: Publican

Registration district: Uppingham
Sub-registration district: Barrowden
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Measures 40 born: Catworth, Huntingdon
Anne Measures 39 born: Tilbrook, Bedfordshire
Charles Measures 11 born: Harringworth, Northamptonshire
Dorothy H. Measures 2 born: Harringworth, Northamptonshire
James Measures 40
G. Spyser 50 - visitor born: (British Subject), Poland
Matilda Hammond 32 - servant
Annie Jesson 18 - servant


possible birth:-
Births Sep 1841
Measures James Joseph Huntingdon 14 180
.........at this time Huntingdon was the Reg.Dist. for Wood Walton!

1861
Name: James J Measures
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Wood Walton, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil parish: Maidwell
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Brixworth
Sub-registration district: Brixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Measures 62 born: Ellington, Huntingdonshire
Hannah Measures 55 born: Irthlingborough, Huntingdonshire
John Measures 27
An Measures 25
William Measures 23
James Measures 21
Hanner Measures 19
Robert Measures 13
Elizabeth Measures 10
Emily M Measures 5
Sarah A Mills 16 - Servant
Mary Measures 17 - Visitor born: Great Catworth, Huntingdonshire (farmers daughter)
Charles Measures 22 - Visitor born: Great Catworth, Huntingdonshire (farmers son)
James J Measures 19 (farmers son)


1851:-
Name: James Measures
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Measures
Mother's Name: Sarah Measures
Gender: Male
Where born: Wood Walton, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil parish: Woodwalton
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Registration district: Huntingdon
Sub-registration district: Ramsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
William Measures 33 born: Ellington, Huntingdonshire
Sarah Measures 27 born: Ellington, Huntingdonshire
James Measures 9
Alla Mira Measures 8
Charles Edwin Measures 2
John Measures 1 MO
Catherine Clerke 54 - Visitor born: London, Middlesex
Jane Carpenter 14 - Servant
Joseph Scotney 21 - Servant
William Scotney 16 - Servant


Mother is Sarah born Ellington, Huntingdonshire abt.1824 which fits with 1881and 1891 census where she has Eleanor living with her.

Marriage:-
Marriages Dec 1840 (>99%)
CLARKE Sarah Huntingdon 14 314
MEASURES William Huntingdon 14 314

....so Catherine Clarke (visitor) is probably her mother?

1881 Eleanor is with her Grandmother, can't find Flo yet but poor Harry is in the Workhouse, so parents have probably died:-


1881 England Census
about Henry Measure
Name: Henry Measure
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Caxton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Union"

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

..........and this would be Florence:-
1891
Name: Florence O Measures
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Wootton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wootton
Town: Wootton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Lady Help

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Maria Armstrong 54 (living on own means)
Florence O Measures 24
Emily Keech 17


1901
Name: Florence Omeasedes
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Professional Sick Nurse

Condition as to marriage: single

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
David Prior 29 born: Southell Nr Boggles Wade, Bedfordshire
Tomas Prior 36 born: Goose Green, London
Florence Omeasedes 33

Her marriage?:-
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
BEARD Minnie Brentford 3a 296
DAWES Arthur Brentford 3a 296
HULBERT Emma Florence Brentford 3a 296
MEASURES Florence Olive Brentford 3a 296
PATTEN Charles Brentford 3a 296
The district Brentford is in the county of Middlesex
.........three female but only two male, so who did she marry?


1911?
DOWSETT, Ernest Head Married M 36 1875 Dental Surgeon Greenwich Kent VIEW
DOWSETT, Ethel Wife Married
6 years F 32 1879 Walton Surrey VIEW
DOWSETT, Guy Son M 0 1911 Twickenham Middlesex VIEW
WEBB, Jessie Sister-In-Law F 26 1885 Sick Nurse Walton Surrey VIEW

xxxx HALE, Florence Married F 42 1869 Monthly Nurse Hatley Cambridgeshire VIEW
(married for 4yrs. = 1907)

STEWART, Violet Servant Single F 23 1888 General Servant Domestic Middleton Norfolk VIEW
MANN, Emma Servant Single F 26 1885 Nurse Domestic Brand Cambridgeshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6834 Reference:
RG14PN6834 RG78PN341 RD128 SD2 ED1 SN78

Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Twickenham Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Twickenham

Address:
7 Lebanon Park Twickenham County:
Middlesex

Just in case this is Harry:-
1891
Name: Harry Herbert Measures
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Harley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Caxton
Ecclesiastical parish: Eltisley
Town: Caxton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Occupation: Ag.Labourer

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lewin 68
Sarah Lewin 68
Richard Peacock 65
Harry Herbert Measures 22
Frank Lewin 22
George Henry Lyon 14

1901
Name: Harry Measures
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Caxton
Ecclesiastical parish: Caxton St Andrew
Town: Caxton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Occupation: ? on the farm (Cattle)

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Eligh Shadwell 62
Harry Measures 29
Agnes Measures 27
Percy Measures 1
George Bishop 10


1911
MEASURES, Harry Head Marrid 14 years M 40 1871 Stock Man On Farm St George Hatley VIEW
MEASURES, Agnes Wife F 38 1873 Caxton VIEW
MEASURES, Percy Son M 11 1900 Caxton VIEW
MEASURES, Cora Daughter F 8 1903 Caxton VIEW
MEASURES, George Son M 7 1904 Caxton VIEW
MEASURES, Edith Daughter F 4 1907 Caxton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9038 Reference:
RG14PN9038 RG78PN480 RD179 SD1 ED11 SN47

Registration District:
Caxton Sub District:
Caxton Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Caxton

Address:
High St Caxton Cambridgeshire County:
Cambridgeshire

children:- 6 - (4 living , 2- died)

If 1871 is the correct family then this looks to be the birth for Flora:-

Births Mar 1867
MEASURES Florence Olive Caxton 3b 470

and this would be Harry:-
Births Mar 1869
Measures Harry Herbert Caxton 3b 480

both reg.dist. Caxton..............so with this in mind this could be a possible birth for Eleanor P. E. Measures:-

Births Mar 1868
Measures Helena Elizabeth Caxton 3b 461

........could Lillie be really Lizzie (Elizabeth) ?

I'm wondering if this could be Lillie?

1871
Name: Lessie Measures
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Measures
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Measures
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Christchurch Spitalfields
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
James Measures 28 born: Woodwalton, Huntingdonshire (Publican)
Elizabeth Measures 26 born: Abbots Ripton, Huntingdonshire
Flora Measures 4
Lessie Measures 3
Harry Measures 2
Emma Martin 13

Do you have the marriage cert.?
If so, than what is her father's name and occupation?

1901


76 LAWRENCE, Fanny Head Widow F 78 1823 Housekeeper
Boston
Lincolnshire VIEW
76 LAWRENCE, James Son Single M 40 1861 Hairdresser
Boston
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3032 Folio:
89 Page:
12

Registration District:
Spalding Sub District:
Spalding Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary & St Nicholas

Civil Parish:
Spalding Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, New Road, Spalding County:
Lincolnshire

Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Lawrence James Spalding 7a 478
Staniforth Fanny Spalding 7a 478



1891

LAWRENCE, Fanny Head Widow F 64 1827 Living On Own Means
Spalding
Lincolnshire VIEW
LAWRENCE, James Son Single M 27 1864 Proffel Barber
Spalding
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2562 Folio:
94 Page:
16

Registration District:
Spalding Sub District:
Spalding Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary & St Nicholas

Civil Parish:
Spalding Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, New Road, Spalding County:
Lincolnshire




in 1911 he is with his mother and says he is single -


LAWRENCE, James S Head Single M 48 1863 Hairdresser Lincs Spalding VIEW
LAWRENCE, Fanny Mother Widow F 86 1825 Lincs Boston VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19493 Reference:
RG14PN19493 RG78PN1168 RD413 SD4 ED3 SN55

Registration District:
Spalding Sub District:
Spalding Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Spalding

Address:
8 New Road Spalding County:
Lincolnshire

1911

*****LAWRENCE, Lillie Head Married
11 years F 42 1869 Boarding House Keeper Attley St George Nr London VIEW
*****LAWRENCE, Thomas Son M 10 1901 School Bradford Yorks VIEW
BYRNE, Leonard Nurse Child M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 London VIEW
TALLENTS, Frank Boarder Single M 27 1884 Hotel Waiter Retford Nottinghamshire VIEW
MANSLEY, John Boarder Married M 38 1873 Bill Poster High Sunderland Nr Halifax VIEW
LANGBEHN, Wilhelm Boarder Married M 24 1887 Correspondent Germany VIEW
LANGBEHN, May Boarder Married
1 years F 19 1892 Guisely Yorkshire VIEW
GREAVES, Arthur Clough Boarder Married M 40 1871 Proffersional Yorkshire Wetherly VIEW
HAINSWORTH, Freds Boarder Married M 45 1866 Stage Manager Yorkshire VIEW
HIGGIN, James Boarder Widower M 44 1867 Mechanic Hulme Manchester VIEW
MCTARLANE, James Boarder Married M 32 1879 Engineer Belfast County Down Ireland VIEW
MCTARLANE, Isabella Boarder Married
7 years M 34 1877 Glasgow VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26847 Reference:
RG14PN26847 RG78PN1542 RD498 SD4 ED37 SN127

Registration District:
Bradford Sub District:
Horton Enumeration District:
37 Parish:
Bradford

Address:
5 Nelson Square County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

1891?
Name: Eleanor P Measures
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Attley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Pinchbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Pinchbeck
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Pinchbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William M Bowser 35 born: Great Chesterford, Sussex (Railway Signalman)
Sarah Bowser 59 - Wife born: Ellington, Huntingdonshire
Eleanor P Measures 23
Annie Measures 9

can't think that Lily is a derivative of Eleanor - Lily = Lilian

Eleanor would more likely be Nellie or Lena or Ella or Ellie

1881

Sarah MEASURES Head W Female 57 Ellington, Huntingdon, England Retired Farmers Widow
Eleanor MEASURES Grand Daur Female 13 Flatley St George, Cambridge, England Scholar
James WISHART Boarder U Male 24 Lonsdale, Cumberland, England Railway Timekeeper


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Source Information:
Dwelling Church Street
Census Place Pinchbeck, Lincoln, England
Family History Library Film 1341763
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3200 / 17
Page Number 6

Her marriage:-

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Hudson George Henry Ashby Z. 7a 235
Laurence James Staniforth Ashby Z. 7a 235
xxxx Lawrence James Staniforth Ashby Z. 7a 235
xxxx Measures Eleanor Palm E Ashby Z. 7a 235
Toon Georgiana Ashby Z. 7a 235

The cert. will give you her father's name!


1901
Name: Eleanor Palin Lawrence
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Pinchbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: Pinchbeck St Mary
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Pinchbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Maris Bansor 45 born: Ellington, Huntingdonshire (Railway Signalman)
Sarah Bansor 65
Eleanor Palin Lawrence 32
Thomas Lawrence 4 Months born: Bradford, Yorkshire

EDIT:-
Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Lawrence Thomas Bradford, Y. 9b 99
The birth cert. may give you his mothers correct name.

I am trying to find my to find my Great-grandmother. Eleanor Palm or Palin Measures, born in Hatley St George, Cambridgeshire. I have her on the 1901 census in Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincolnshire. I know her married surname was Lawrence and she was married in Ashby de la Zouch in 1899 and had twins in 1900 in Bradford, West Yorkshire. I think she was known as Lily as this is the name given on the twins birth cert. My uncle has told me that he remembers a grandma called Lily when he was growing up in the 1920's. Tried to find a death for her or her husband James Staniforth Lawrence without success. On the 1901 census she is listed as a visitor with my grandfather (his twin died at birth) so I know I have the right person. Does anyone know if Lily is a derivative of Eleanor ?
Any help gratefully received.