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Ok thank you I'll do some routing. Would he of been the last son them making it margaret would of had, My gran, Phyllis, Elizabeth, Colin and James? 4 with her Husband and my Gran for adoption.
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I have been unable to find out if James Fraser Gilchrist ( I mentioned him in 2008) was also James and Margaret's son.

1928 GILCHRIST JAMES FRASER M PERTH /PERTH

Yes I believe that to be him! Very impressive! Same year of death. xxx

Well done Aileen! Yes kirk spa... Kirk spalding! The son Andrew was also kirk spa in his name.
Thanks

Found this and wonder if it is the same Andy Dickson


Andy Dickson joined Dundee United as trainer and phsiotherapist in May 1960 after being with Dunfermline as assistant trainer, trainer, then manager. He was a valued and respected member of the training team at Tannadice for many years and a well known personality to the fans. Andy died in 1991 but is forever remembered in the song “Proud to be an Arab” by Ricky Ross.

Given that the Christian name is Andrew for both I think Mr Dickson and Spalding are probably the same person. This would make sense.....perhaps he was born as Spalding but later became Dickson

Found his death

1991 DICKSON ANDREW KIRK SPA M 72 DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY/DUNDEE CITY

I would guess that SPA is for Spalding.....

Thank you for all this wondeful information! I am at a loss with the marriage in 1942? I believe that Phyllis married Andrew dickson he managed a football team from 1955 until 1960 I think Dundee? or dunfermline?

I am sorry I have now added it I didn't realsie I had to til I recieved a reply earlier today xx

Death for James Gilchrist

1942 GILCHRIST JAMES M 48 PERTH /PERTH

also signed by Phyllis Dickson (daughter)

Just for reference

death for Phyllis

2008 GILCHRIST PHYLLIS GARDNER DICKSON F 84 DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY/DUNDEE CITY COUNCIL

and ? an odd twist.....? marriage for Phyllis

1942 SPALDING ANDREW K S GILCHRIST PHYLLIS GARDNER DUNFERMLINE /FIFE

James and Margaret Allan Gilchrist (Gardner) had at least 2 other children Colin Gardner Gilchrist and Elizabeth Sime Gilchrist

1925 GILCHRIST ELIZABETH SIME F PERTH /PERTH

1931 GILCHRIST COLIN GARDINER M PERTH /PERTH

Unfortunately both have died

1932 GILCHRIST COLIN GARDINER M 1 PERTH /PERTH

1943 GILCHRIST ELIZABETH SIME F 17 PERTH /PERTH

Elizabeth's death cert is witnessed by Phylis Dickson (sister)

I have PM'd Helen this also

1901 census

Name: Colin Gardener
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Colin Gardener
Mother's Name: Betsy Gardener
Gender: Male
Where born: Stirling, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 490
Registration district: Stirling
Civil parish: Stirling
County: Stirlingshire
Address: 105 Lower B St
Occupation: Telegraph Clerk App
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 155
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_165
Household Members:
Name Age
Colin Gardener 45
Betsy Gardener 41
Colin Gardener 14
John Gardener 12
William Gardener 9
Maggie Gardener 7

Have you any birth dates for any of them?
Thanks

COLIN GARDNER Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 02 OCT 1808 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: JAMES GARDNER Family
Mother: CATHRINE MCKENZIE
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COLIN GARDINER Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET ALLAN Family
Marriage: OCT 1852 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
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Hello there,m
Been trying to delve on piece together my late gran's tree she was adopted and it's web!
I know her real birth mother was maragret allan gardner born to colin and elizabeth gardner. I also know that they had another daughter called Jessie mcglashan gardner. (would of been grans real aunt)
margaret gave gran up for adoption I dont know why?
she later married a james gilchrist in 1923 had at least one child that I know of (phylliss who became a dickson)? anymore?? I know margaret died at just 47 in perth leaving James a widower. ANy information further names date would be so warmly welcomed as I at abit of a loss. Many kind thanks xxxx