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ELIZABETH ? born abt 1835- QUINTON, MICKLETON, GLOS/WARW

WILLIAM COLLINS- born 1837 TIMSBURY, HANTS. (think Romsey area)

Not very often a couple completely baffle me but these two are.
I have them ok 1871 onwards but cannot prove their births dates or places which does not help find their marriage.

I have found a marriage and just wondered if someone might be able to help as I am failing to find the brides name.

STRADFORD UPON AVON 4th QTR 1859 6D PAGE 240
WILLIAM COLLINS.
Perhaps then I might be able to locate them on earlier census returns along with their parents.
Any help would be appreciated. thanks Cindi

Looks as though the marriage you found had the 840 mistranscribed as 240

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Collins William Stratford 6d 840
Morris Jane Stratford 6d 840
Riley Arthur Stratford On Avon 6d 840
Walker John Stratford 6d 840

Thank you K still lost really thought this one would help find who Elizabeth was so no further forward. But again many thanks. Cindi

For reference - the couple in 1871?

Name: William Collins
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Finsbury, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Wistaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Wistaston
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Collins 35
Elizabeth Collins 36 b Mickleton Glos
Richard Benjamin Collins 7 b Hampshire
Cecil William Collins 5
Joseph Frank Collins 3

did they have children after 1875/ a birth reg would give you Elizabeth's name

K Thank you the couple are fine once they are married and I have them right through along with their children and their children but as I said just cannot PROVE you they are and of course who their parents are.
If you have any ideas for me to investigate any help much appreciated!

Thank you Cindi

1881 census
Name: William Collins
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Quinsbury, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 36 Alton Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Grocer & Provision Dealer

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Collins 43
Elizabeth Collins 45
Benjamin Collins 17
William Lesie Collins 15
Joseph Frank Collins 12
Evelyn Newton 14


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3544; Folio: 24; Page: 41; GSU roll: 1341849

here you are .this cert will give you mums name
Name: Joseph Frank Collins
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 301

just for good measure as found it !
Name: Joseph Frank Collins
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 771
spouse Annie Capper or Annie Burnett

A child's birth cert would give the mother's maiden name if all else fails

Births Sep 1868 (>99%)

Collins Joseph Frank Nantwich 8a 301

Shirley/ yes I have all their children and their life after marriage.
I do appreciate buying a birth certificate may be the only answer but I am doing this work for a friend and did not really want to spend MY money doing another persons tree for which I receive no payment. As I am sure you appreciate our family history stuff costs us quite a lot already in subs etc so when it is not your family ! But thank you very much Cindi

1851???

Name: William Collins
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Timsbury, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Timsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Romsey
Sub-registration district: Romsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Collins 62
Ann Collins 60
William Collins 15

Hi Cindi
Well i would be inclined to tell your friend that you can get no further on that side without buying a cert and you will do this for the cost of the cert, then its up to them.
They are lucky you are doing their tree for them and should appreciate, as we all do, that it does cost

K Yes 1841 and 1851 census I have seen two likely William Collins one being the boy living with his Grandfather- what I had hoped to do was find a wedding that looked like the right date/couple/place etc and then I would spend £9.25 of my money and purchase which would give me both their fathers names. This then would help me find them on earlier census returns. Cindi

Just a thought they may have married late in their relationship -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
COLLINS William Nantwich 8a 440
Lowe Mary Nantwich 8a 440
RIGBY Thomas Nantwich 8a 440
SWAINE Elizabeth Ann Nantwich 8a 440

Edit - Just checked the Cheshire BMD site and this William and Elizabeth did marry

THANK YOU K and THANK YOU Shirley as always genes girls try to help. Your help much appreciated.

Cindi

K/ just seen your later marriage. Doubt it somehow it does not really fit the pattern - I was going to say they are more middle class but then thought they are just as likely to have been married the wrong side of the blanket as us working class families! but somehow doubt it. I will see what I can find in Hampshire marriages around 1860 as their first born child was born in Hants. Cindi

Just realised that my own great grandparents the Anstee family lived next door but one to the couple in 1881. A very small world!