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Thanks Jennifer I'll have a look at them

Patricia

Hi you could put them on here:

http://www.bmdshare.com/

also you could add a 'postem' note to the index entry on FreeBMD


Jennifer

Jennifer i have 2 unwanted certificates now i wondered if you knew where they best place to see if anyone else wanted them

Patricia

Patricia, really pleased for you. I know what is is like researching in Wales. I had to find an Elizabeth Jones! and you can imagine how many of those there are.

Jennifer

Thanks Jennifer i have found the right Thomas and Fanny Williams they were registered under Ellesmere.

Thankyou
Patricia

Thanks Jennifer I'll give that ago

Patricia

Poor you, as Williams is one of the most common surname in UK. You could try contacting Ellesemere reg office and explain your dilemma and ask for a check on father's name. I have done this many times and most are very helpful including Ellesmere when I was looking for a marriage.

Jennifer

Just had a look and it could be either I know Thomas was Baptised on 18 Jan 1852 in Penley so he could have been born in June or December

Thanks Patricia

Thanks RutlandBelle I'll have a look at these

Patricia

Thanks RutlandBelle I sent for one Fanny's certificate but is was the wrong one. I will have a look at the one you suggest Thanks Patricia

Thanks Andy I have this info already I think there was a miss spelling, it should read Martha not Hertha

Thanks Patricia

1851 census

Both parents now born in Shropshire?

1851 Wales Census
about James Williams
Name: James Williams
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hertha Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Ellesmere, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish or Township: Penley
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Overton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
James Williams 37
Hertha Williams ??9
Sarah Williams
John Williams 3
William Williams 1
Ann Higley Servant

Andy

his sister's may be easier:

Name: Fanny Williams
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page:

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unfortunately there are 2 birth it could be

Name: Thomas Williams
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 18
Page: 66

Name: Thomas Williams
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 18
Page: 68

The only Penley i know of is near Wrexham which is on the Denbighshire/Flintshire border.

Penley at that time was in Ellesmere Reg District so you need to search for a birth there , a cert will give mother's name

Thanks Andy! It is now I think in Gwynedd

Which county is Penley in?

1861?

1861 Wales Census
about Thomas Williams
Name: Thomas Williams
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Williams
Mother's Name: Martha Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Penley, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Penley
Ecclesiastical parish: Ellesmere
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Overton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
James Williams 49 Farmer of 40 acres
Martha Williams 47
Sarah Williams 15
John Williams 13
Thomas Williams 9
Fanny Williams 4


Andy

Could anyone help Iam trying to find the mother of Thomas Williams born in Penley He was Christened in Penley on 18 Jan 1852 His Father was James William Williams and his mother Martha ? I think James was Blacksmith at one time