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Would someone please be kind enough to check out Elizabeth's birthplace for me? On another census birthplace is Kingsland, but neither mean anything to me!


1871 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Browming
[Elizabeth Browning]
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bospond, London, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas

Elizabeth Browming 48
John Browming 21
Anne Browming 13
Eliza Browming 10

Many thanks

Jan

PS off to bed midnight so apologies if slow getting back!

On the image for 1871. Looks like it could be Romford to me


I think Romford and Kingsland are not that far apart

Thanks for the suggestion TootyF. Will have another look tomorrow when the old eyeballs are well rested!
Jan

Kingsland was a small road-side settlement centred on Kingsland High Street, on the Old North Road (the present A10), Middlesex. It has now been subsumed within inner city London, principally as part of Dalston in the London Borough of Hackney and has lost its separate identity.

From Wikipedia



Ozi

Balls Pond Road joins Kingsland High St. I know it doesn't look like that on the image but it does sound similar.

Ozi

I grew up in Romford and never heard of Kingsland...still an Essex girl now looks like Ballspond there is a Ballspond road somewher near London

Edit - sorry ozibird did'nt notice you had already mentioned it.
Geography of the UK is not my strong point unless it is the south east which I know a bit about
jax

Ah, this is where you get Kingsland from.

1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Browman [Elizabeth Browning]
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Browman
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsland, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Woods Buildings

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Browman 39 - Day labourer
Elizabeth Browman 29
Jared Browman 9 [Jane on image.]
William Browman 6
Sarah Browman 5
Elizabeth Browman 3
John Browman 4 MO
Robert Collens 39

I google earthed Romford and Kingsland and they don't look too far apart. Could be wrong

If she was born in Kingsland (Hackney) which I suspect she was, what was her maiden name ? you might be able to find her birth record on the Ancestry London Archives?

Connection?

Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
BROWNING Thomas Shoreditch 2 352
CHESTERMAN Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 352

Name: Thomas Browning
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Chertirman
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Jul 1843
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Thomas Browning
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chertirman

1851:
Name: Elizabeth Browman
[Elizabeth Browning]
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Browman
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsland, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Browman 39
Elizabeth Browman 29
Jared Browman 9
William Browman 6
Sarah Browman 5
Elizabeth Browman 3
John Browman 4 MO
Robert Collens 39

TootyFruity I'm sorry but for a Londoner Romford and Kingsland are thought of as far apart. My ancestors always recorded themselves on census born Kingsland. They were in the reg'n district of Islington and lived in the Islington area until the 1920s and then moved onto Harrow. There are still rellies in that part of London. I notice the elder Browning children were recorded as born in Islington.

Yes, Jonesey, I looked at that marriage too. In fact I posted the 1851 about an hour before you. But I can't find an Elizabeth Chesterman in 1841.

Ozi

The only way to really know is to get a child's birth cert.
Births Sep 1841
Browning Jane Hannah Islington 3 20

There are 4 William Brownings born 1844/45

Births Mar 1846
BROWNING Sarah Islington 3 234


Births Dec 1847
BROWNING Elizabeth Birmingham 16 288 I'm sure on the image of 1851 Elizabeth is born Birmingham.

Births Dec 1849
BROWNING John Clerkenwell 3 111

Good morning (just!).

Thanks for all the replies everyone - as always a lot more has gone on than I anticipated! I have a lot of info about Elizabeth but just wondered what this said - I suspect I might never know maybe? Favoured the Ballspond Road idea, but just don't know. Might have to admit defeat here I think.
Thanks for all the input, I do appreciate it.

Jan

So Kingsland is sort of Islington way then? A lot of my rellies were born Islington or Newington then settled in Walthamstow.
As for Romford its not even in London so I would say Its not near at all

jax

Rochford? which is Essex Essex

Rochford ??? yes that is Southend area but what has it got to do with this old thread I dont know

jax

Hello! How did this old dinosaur get resurrected then??
Jan

Well seeing as its been resurrected........ I'll stick my two pennies worth on


Balls Pond Road and Kingsland (which is an area of Hackney) are actually not far apart

Jan

I like it when these are areas I know...even Rochford I can comment on because I live there now :D

jax

Thanks for the extra input! Sticking to Balls Pond Road and Kingsland.
Jan