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Which could have possibly been for Alfred senior... so his Grandmother, and his siblings.

But as Carey hasn't responded in the positive....I guess not :-)

Chris

Big thank you to the people above xoxox

Carey Chambers

Chris, do those names come from FMP military record? If so, which Alfred? The records I found on Ancestry are for Alfred Snr and include all the children as in the 1911 census.

Refering back to Joneseys post at 11:42

Does the following ring any bells?....

Father's mother: Emily Roberts
Brothers: Thomas and Frederick
Sisters: Grace, Elizabeth, Emily and Alice

Chris

Carey

Not only is his WW1 record on Ancestery, his original service record from 1879 is there. There are 11 images in total.

Carey, your greatgrandfather's (Alfred b1865) WW1 pension record is on Ancestry. If you don't have a sub, PM me your email address and I will send it to you. There are several images.

In a section about next of kin, Essex regiment is mentioned next to two names. Unfortunately, the names are crossed out but one looks like father, Alfred, and the other, Son, Edward.

This site has info about Army Service nos (this link is direct to the Essex Regt):

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2008/08/army-service-numbers-in-essex-regiment.html

From the list the soldier with the number 9242 joined in July 1908 and No 10414 was issued in 1914, so Alfred must have enlisted between those dates, probably nearer the earlier one.

St Dunstans is an organisation for blind ex-servicemen. Just googled it and this is the site. There is a photograph of Capt Ian Fraser:

http://www.st-dunstans.org.uk/about_us/collections_archives/our_history.html

Find my Past has a database containing the following records:

British Army Service Records 1760-1913

Unfortunately I am not a subscriber to that site.

Perhaps someone who is will take a look for you. Alternatively you can purchase pay as you go credits and take a look yourself.

Good luck.

Hi Jonesey

Alfred Ernest Junior had left home by the 1911 census

As you can see all of the siblings are born in foreign countrys were Alfred senior was based in the British army

Can you find any record of his service??


Household information
Address 152 Perth Road Barking Essex
Parish Barking

Town Barking
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 4 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN9925 RG78PN522 RD191 SD3 ED15 SN303
Administrative County Essex
Registration District Romford
Registration Sub District Barking Town
Enumeration District 15

Householder 1
Name Alfred Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Occupation Army Pensioner Labourer Barking Town Urban District Council
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lambeth Surrey
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 2

Name Emma Eliza Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 23 Years
Total Children Born Alive 12
Children Still Living 8
Children Who Have Died 4
Gender F
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Wealdstone Middx
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 3

Name Alice Maud Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1893
Occupation Tobbaco Stripper
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Tippery Ireland Resident
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 4

Name Edward Thomas Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1896
Occupation MACHINE HAND
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Tobacco Factory
Place of Birth Agra East India Resident
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 5

Name Frederick Kitchner Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Twukerham Surrey
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 6

Name Daisy Marah Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Barking Essex
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 7
Name Ivy Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Barking Essex
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 8

Name Richard John Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Barking Essex
Nationality British Subject By Parentage
Householder 9
Name Lilly Louisa Chambers
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 9 Months
Estimated Year of Birth 1911
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Barking Essex
Nationality British Subject By Parentage

Carey,

I may be wrong but I cannot find any reference to medal index cards before WW1 so it may be that they did not exist before then. Your Great Great Grandfather is unlikely to have been involved in WW1 so I doubt that there is a medal index card for him.

Just out of interest have you found either or both of your Alfred Ernest Chambers on the 1911 census?

Just one further item about what I believe to be Alfred Ernest Juniors medal index card. He appears to have also received a silver war badge. This was a token designed to be worn by those of military age who had served at sometime in WW1 but were now back home whilst the hostilities were still ongoing. This enabled other people to recognise that the wearer, "Had done his bit" and was not a malingerer or a coward.

1901 just for reference:

Name: Alfred Chambers
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston Hill St Paul
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Infantry sergeant

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks Depot East Surrey Regiment
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Chambers 35
Emma Eliza Chambers 32
Alfred Ernest Chambers 10 born Alderney, Channel Islands
Alice Maud Chambers 8
Edward Thomas Chambers 5
Herbert George Chambers 3
Ernest Stanley Chambers 6 months

Hi Jonesey

(Lets say then that the Tea pot is my Grandfathers)

My Great Great grandfather was in the Essex army he played the drums in the army Essex band.In the 1911 census it states( Army Pensioner,Labourer Barking Town Urban District Council )

Would any body know his Medal Roll Index card?

Alfred Ernest Chambers 1866 Lambeth,Surrey.

Carey

Much more likely I would have thought.

As Sylvia has explained most of the service records from WW1 were unfortunately destroyed by fire. There is no record showing for an Alfred Ernest Chambers. If he was discharged in 1915 then it looks likely that he had been wounded and might have been eligible for a service pension but once again I'm afraid that I cannot spot a pension record for him either.

Although you are unlikely to find anything mentioning him by name the regimental diaries should reveal what the regiment was involved with during the time of his service.

This site will give you an insight:

www.1914-1918.net/essex.htm

Jonesey

My grand father was a Alfred Ernest Chambers 1891 too could the tea pot be his??

Carey Chambers

Carey,

May I enquire how you know his regiment and service number?

The reason that I ask is because if your Alfred Ernest Chambers was indeed born in 1866 then he would have been 48 years old at the outbreak of WW1. Although there was a fervour amongst the male population to answer the call to arms I am not sure that someone of his age would have answered it or been accepted unless of course they had previous military experience.

Hi Sylvia

You mention that he was a private, are there records kept in a different place?

I would still like to see if his records are one of the lucky ones.
How would I go about this?

Alfred Ernest was my Great Great grandfather 1866

I have a Silver Tea pot that was handed down from my dad, it reads.

Alfred. E.Chambers regimental 9328

Late First Essex Regt

Captain Fraser And Committee of St Dunstans. (Any body know of a Capt Fraser or the St Dunstans committe)

Carey Chambers

Carey

probably impossible!

Only about 30% of the records for WW1 servicemen survived WW1


At the outbreak of WW2, all the WW1 records for men were moved from the Department of Defense to another building in London where it was believed that they would be safe.


The building was bombed

The survivng records were moved to a building in Kew, just outside London, where it was believed that they would be safe.

There was a fire


Of the 30% of records that remain, most are damaged by burning or other damage.


One is incredibly lucky to actually find any service records.



The medal card did note that he was a Private.





sylvia

Thanks Sylvia

Do you know where I could find his service card! bearing in mine I live in New Zealand?

Many thanks,
Carey

It is his medal roll card, not his service record




British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: Alfred Ernest Chambers
Regiment or Corps: 1st Essex Regiment
Regimental Number: 9328



from image:-

He was awarded the following medals for service in the Balkans

Victory Medal

British Medal

1915 Star

His date of entry into the Balkans was 25 - 4 -15


He was discharged from service on 24- 11 -15


The Medals are:-

# 1914-15 Star was awarded for service in France or Flanders (Belgium) between 23 November 1914 and 31 December 1915, or for service in any theater between 5 August 1914 and 31 December 1915


# Allied Victory Medal (Victory Medal) was awarded for service in any operational theater between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was issued to individuals who received the 1914 and 1914-15 Stars and to most individuals who were issued the British War Medal. The medal was also awarded for service in Russia (1919-1920) and post-war mine clearance in the North Sea (1918-1919).


# British War Medal was awarded to both servicemen and civilians that either served in a theater of war, or rendered service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was also awarded for service in Russia, and post-war mine clearance in the Baltic, the Black Sea, and the Caspian Sea between 1919 and 1920.



sylvia

Alfred Ernest Chambers 1866
Lambeth,London.

Alfred Ernest Chambers 1st Essex Regiment 9328

Is there a army service card?

If so could someone Abbreviate it for me.

Thanks,
Carey