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hi neil
baptism of 4 of their children
rose nathan to samuel and mary ann 5 8 1888 adult at hucknall father cigar maker whyburn st
emmanuel, thomas and michael all the same day 26 8 1888 same details as above

BUT may nor be thesame Fanny could be this one

Name: Fanny Nathan
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Abraham
Gender: Female
Where born: Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Christchurch Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Artillery
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Nathan 53
Fanny Nathan 54
Elizabeth Nathan 29
Abraham Nathan 22
Jane Nathan 19
Abraham Samuels 4
Isaac Samuels 3
Tanny Samuels 3
Emma Layton 18
William Levy 29
Sarah Lewis 49
George Allen 42
Sarah Allen 39
Sarah Hubbard 15


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 503; Folio: 24; Page: 5; GSU roll: 823379

this is Fanny and the cert should say who she was the widow of
Name: Fanny Nathan
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 61
District: Whitechapel
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 249

1851 census

Name: Saml Nathan
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:13 Princes street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Nathan 34 occ hawker looks like widow
Betsy Nathan 11
Fanny Nathan 8
Saml Nathan 5
Sarah Nathan 1



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1544; Folio: 92; Page: 6; GSU roll: 174774.


All born Spitalfield


youngest's birth
Name: Sarah Nathan
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Whitechapel
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 541

now interestingly as he was born Spitalfield as per the 1881 census, then that Whitechapel birth could be him cos that covered Spitafields

1881

Henry WILDE Prisoner U Male 35 Althorp, Nottingham, England Convict
James FINDLAY Prisoner U Male 39 Scotland Convict
Levi Willm. GIBSON Prisoner U Male 36 Grantham, Lincoln, England Convict
Joseph BRACKEN Prisoner U Male 28 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Convict
Francis LOUGHRAN Prisoner U Male 24 Ireland Convict
John WILSON Prisoner U Male 45 Leicester, Leicester, England Convict
Edward BROWN Prisoner M Male 29 Scotland Convict
Samuel NATHAN Prisoner U Male 36 London, Middlesex, England Convict
James BROWNLIE Prisoner W Male 54 Scotland Convict
William BROWN Prisoner W Male 58 Scotland Convict
John RICHES Prisoner U Male 20 Southerley, Norfolk, England Convict
Alexander HUNTER Prisoner U Male 31 Scotland Convict
Matthew DUFFRIN Prisoner M Male 26 Oldham, Lancashire, England Convict
Francis GARDNER Prisoner U Male 28 Scotland Convict
John MARTIN Prisoner U Male 34 Manchester, Lancashire, England Convict
Richard JOHNSON Prisoner M Male 46 Ledbury, Hereford, England Convict
John GARDINER Prisoner U Male 29 Scotland Convict
Owen ROBERTS Prisoner U Male 41 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Convict
William SAYERS Prisoner U Male 33 London, Middlesex, England Convict
James DAVIES Prisoner U Male 25 Bristol, Somerset, England Convict
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "H M Convict Prison" Chatham Kent
Census Place Gillingham, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341213
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0897 / 63
Page Number 11

1881 - ??

Sam. NATHAN Head M Male 36 Spitalfield, Middlesex, England Cigar Maker
Mary NATHAN Wife M Female 35 Leicester, Leicester, England Cigar Maker
Kate NATHAN Daur U Female 14 Leicester, Leicester, England Housework
Judah NATHAN Son U Male 12 Hackney, Middlesex, England Scholar
Jno. NATHAN Son U Male 10 Stepney, Middlesex, England Scholar
Rose NATHAN Daur U Female 7 Stepney, Middlesex, England Scholar
Emanuel NATHAN Son U Male 6 w Stepney, Middlesex, England
Harriet WALKER Friend W Female 29 Leicester, Leicester, England Cigar Maker


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Source Information:
Dwelling 49 Wellesley St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341105
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0477 / 75
Page Number 26

Cant see any ref to him being born in Bethnal Green .he married there but doesnt mean he was born there

he doesnt seem to have been registered in Bethnal Green.
there's these two but unless you can identify him with parents I cant see how you can say with certainty who they were.

Name: Samuel Nathan
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Whitechapel
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 545 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Name: Samuel Nathan
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 130


The first one is more likey to show as born 1846 on census

thank you shirley, i have no idea how this info was obtained,i do know it was yet another very kind lady,like yourself ,who is doing her best to educate me in the art of genology.she is sure her dob is correct though.

so that identies him for the 1891census
Name: Samuel Nathan
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hucknall Torkard
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Bulwell
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:21 Nottingham Road

Occupation:Fireman at Cigar factory

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Nathan 45
Mary Ann Nathan 45 occ Cigar maker b leicester
Judah Nathan 21
John Nathan 19
Rose Nathan 17
Emanuel Nathan 9
Thomas Nathan 7
Michal Nathan 5
Anne Dawks 17



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2673; Folio 114; Page 2; GSU roll: 6097783.

only census I can see him on
1901 census
Name: Samuel Nathan
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hucknall Torkard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:??? road Bevan Hill

Occupation:Cigar maker !!!!

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Nathan 55
Mary A Nathan 54 b Lester !! thats how its spelt
Emanuel Nathan 20
Thos Nathan 15
Michael Nathan 16



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3156; Folio: 24; Page: 39.

So dad died pre the marriage so could be the right family
Name: Israel Nathan
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 224

right area birth year different.
1861 census

Name: Saml Nathan
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Israel
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Beth Gn, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Great
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:114 Bethnal Green Road
-Drapers
Occupation:carver

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 330
Household Members: Name Age
Israel Nathan 55 occ draper
Isabella Nathan 48
Leah Nathan 24
Esther Nathan 21
Saml Nathan 19
Louisa Nathan 14
Henry Nathan 12
Benjamen Nathan 10
Rachel Nathan 8
Clara Nathan 6

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 258; Folio: 16; Page: 56; GSU roll: 542601.

how do you know his birth year.have you found him on any census? his marriage cert says of full age .

Name: Samuel Nathan occ Cigar Maker
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Orton
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 May 1868
Parish: St Peter, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Orton


no father given for Samuel the cert image says deceased!! which may be true or he was illegitimate

His marriage cert should name his father if known

would any kind person be able to assist me in finding the perants of samual nathan.he was born in bethnal green in1846,married mary ann orton in 1868 at st peters church bethnal green in 1868.