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Ironing? What's that? Something to do with housework, no doubt. I avoid that too.

Are you avoiding the ironing too Margaret ?????

Son Albert ...........

1911 Census
SANDFORD, Albert Head Married
3 years M 24 1887 Carman Bermondsey South London VIEW
SANDFORD, Winnifred Wife Married F 23 1888 Newington S E London VIEW
SANDFORD, Winnifred Daughter F 3 1908 Newington South London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1851 Reference:
RG14PN1851 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED33 SN218

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington South Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
22 de Laune St Kennington S E County:
London

1911 for William and Alice.........



SANDFORD, William Head Married M 58 1853 Timekeeper Bermondsey London VIEW
SANDFORD, Alice Ann Wife Married
37 years F 55 1856 Rotherhithe London VIEW
SANDFORD, Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Farrier Bermondsey London VIEW
SANDFORD, Sidney Son Single M 17 1894 Groom Domestic Bermondsey London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1993 Reference:
RG14PN1993 RG78PN70 RD25 SD2 ED19 SN399

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Kennington Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
22 White Hart Square S E County:
London

Thanks, so I have deffinatley made a match with this connection.

The Schultz name to me sounds foreign what is her background? any ideas?

Was Alice Ann previously married to Thomas McGuinness?

Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Ager Mary Poplar 1c 1215
Hearn Edward Poplar 1c 1215
McGuinness Thomas Poplar 1c 1215
Schultz Alice Ann Poplar 1c 1215

Then married William? But they didn't marry until 1882. (They were living together in 1881, weren't they?)

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
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McGuinness Alice Ann St. Saviour 1d 115
SANDFORD William St. Saviour 1d 115

Edit: Great minds think alike, Susan!

Ahhhhh!..........

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)

McGuinness Alice Ann St. Saviour 1d 115
SANDFORD William St. Saviour 1d 115

Alice had been married before....


Thomas McGuinness 1871 Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex Vol 1c Page 1215

Alice Ann Schultz 1871 Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex Vol 1c Page 1215

Thank you all so much all the info you have provided has matched up with a contact I have made.

He has this below --- seems she was married twice!

Alice Schultz
First name: Alice Known as:
Middle name: Ann Occupation:
Surname: Schultz Date of birth: 14/09/1855
Year of birth: 1855 Date of baptism:
Gender: Female Year of death:
Date of death: Source of data:

Place of birth: 2 Oak Place, Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Place of baptism:
Place of death:
Notes:
Spouse name: Thomas McGuinness
Place of marriage: Roman Catholic Church of St Mary & Joseph, Poplar,
Date of marriage: 29 MAY 1871
Divorced: No
Spouse name: William Sandford
Place of marriage: St Mary Magdalene Church, Bermondsey, Surrey, Engl
Date of marriage: 16 JAN 1882
Divorced: No

Wondered why I couldn't find little Louisa Maude on the 1881 census. Evidently she died:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Louisa Maud Sandford
Name: Louisa Maud Sandford
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 174

Two other children of William & Alice Ann:

Name: Louisa Maude Sandford
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jun 1880
Father's Name: William Sandford
Mother's Name: Alice Ann Sandford
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address 43 Frean St., father a warehouseman.

Name: Leonard Sandford
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Jun 1881
Father's Name: William Sandford
Mother's Name: Alice Ann Sandford
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address 43 Frean St., father a warehouseman.

Not a good idea to post your email, Kirsty. Just keep checking the thread.

Could this be his birth?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Ernest Sandford
Name: William Ernest Sandford
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 21 Jul 1878
Father's Name: William Sandford
Mother's Name: Alice Ann Sandford
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address 43 Frean St. Father was a lighterman.

From a previous contact I had with someone who had a William Ernest Sandford in their tree 1878 from Bermondsey they had his partner as Emma unknown with a son William so this seems a good match what do you think?

If this is correct he has Williams parents as William Sandford c1852 and mother Alice Schultz 1855, can you confirm this or is the below the correct parents for my side?

1891 England Census
about William Sandford
Name: William Sandford
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice A
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sandford 38
Alice A Sandford 35
William E Sandford 12
Leonard Sandford 9
Arthur Sandford 8
Isabella M Sandford 6
Albert Sandford 4
Nellie Sandford 2
Walter R Sandford 3 /12

The marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Sandford
Name: William Sandford
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Emma Finch
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Dec 1900
Parish: St Paul, Lorrimore Square
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Sandford
Spouse Father Name: George Finch

He was a printer, his father a timekeeper, her father a blacksmith. His address 44 Sutherland Square, hers 42 Sutherland Square. Witnesses were Leonard Sandford and Bella Sandford.

Name: William Sandford
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Emma Finch
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Dec 1900
Parish: St Paul, Lorrimore Square
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Sandford
Spouse Father Name: George Finch

looks like they told fibs about how long they had been married

Name: William Sandford
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 43 Frean St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Sandford 28
Alice Sandford 25
Alice Sandford 8
William Sandford 3


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This is interesting ....



1901 England Census
about William Sandford
Name: William Sandford
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kennington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sandford 22
Emma Sandford 21
William Sandford 2
Caroline Applegate 54

And living next door.....



1901 England Census
about William Sandford
Name: William Sandford
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kennington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 266
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sandford 48
Alice Sandford 45
Isabella Sandford 16
Albert Sandford 14
Nellie Sandford 12
Walter Sandford 10
Sidney Sandford 8

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Sandford Doris V 0 Lambeth 1d 386


Deaths Dec 1919 (95%)
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Sandford Thomas 0 Lambeth 1d 320

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Thank you all so much that is brilliant I will get some much needed info from all of that. Is there any way of finding Emma's and Williams parents names?