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Hi! Looking for information on the gypsy family of Michael Saunders/Sanders (b.1823/25 Tigners Heath, Sussex) and Delilah Lee (bapt.26 Oct 1823 in Kingsworthy, Hampshire). They were travellers in Hampshire/Sussex/Middlesex/Dorset. Married 20 Jan, 1840 in Portsea, Hampshire. They had quite a few children - names and baptisms as follows: Athaliah (1840); Job (1845); Noah (1847); Emma (1866), Walter (1850); Alderia (1845); Georgina (1863); Elizabeth (1856); Marleana (1858); George (1861); Agnes (1859); Joseph (1853); Humphries; (William (1856). Any information would be greatly appreciated! Best wishes, Antonia

DELILAH LEE Pedigree
Female Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: MICHAEL SAUNDERS Family
Marriage: 20 JAN 1840 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

This looks like the family in the 1851 census (mistranscribed names):-


Name: Job Lainders
[Job Saunders]
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Misbah
Mother's Name: Delila
Gender: Male
Where born: N
Civil parish: Long Sutton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Travellers

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Farnborough
Sub-registration district: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members:
Name Age

Misbah Lainders (image says Michael Saunders), birthplace not known.
Delila Lainders 27, born Winchester, Hants
Athalee Lainders 10
Job Lainders 7
Elderess Lainders 6
Walter Lainders 3
Nooh Lainders 11

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1596; Folio: 180; Page: 17; GSU roll: 193494

Kath. x

unfortunately they have been butchered by the transcribers

1851 England Census about Delila Lainders
Name: Delila Lainders
[Delila Saunders]
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Misbah
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitchester, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Long Sutton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Farnborough
Sub-registration district: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members:
Name Age
Misbah Lainders
Delila Lainders 27
Athalee Lainders 10
Job Lainders 7
Elderess Lainders 6
Walter Lainders 3
Nooh Lainders 11

1881

Michael SANDERS Head M Male 56 Tigners Heath, Sussex, England Hawker
Deliah SANDERS Wife M Female 55 Winchester, Hampshire, England Hawker
Georgina SANDERS Daughter U Female 17 Southampton, Hampshire, England Hawker


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Source Information:
Dwelling Elder Row
Census Place Hanworth, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341322
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1326 / 112
Page Number 4

ALDERIA SAUNDERS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 JAN 1845 North Baddesley, Hampshire, England
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Parents:
Father: MICHAEL SAUNDERS Family
Mother: DELILAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

You need this website :

http://www.romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/#/assorted-census-entr/4522347556

LOTS of Lee's there !! - You might just find something !

Dea x

take a look at this site - much info on Gypsy families - Saunders and Lee - it won't let me c & p!!!

http://romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/#/mixed-census/4522820101

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Sarah Wells 26 Hastings, Sussex, Wife (nee Saunders) ..... Songs Forest Families NEW FOREST GYPSIES Betsy Cooper page 2 Sampson Boswell Family Mixed Records ...

romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/mixed-census/452282010... - 108k - Similar pages

this one too has a history of a Saunders in Sussex

http://www.romanyroad.co.uk/#/articles/4523887597
Articles - Romany Road
THE STORY OF GEORGE SAUNDERS WHO DIED AT POOLE, DORSET in 1903 - Journal 2 ... Saunder's age as 78 and 68 respectively, and his place of birth as Linfield, Sussex. ... When questioned by his family, George always maintained his innocence and they even asked ... For some reason, much to the regret of Gypsy scholars, ...

www.romanyroad.co.uk/articles/4523887597 - 38k - Similar pages

Romany & Traveller FHS Journal Vol 7
Journal of the Romany & Traveller Family History Society ... Rose, Saunders, Sherriff, Sinnock, Smith, Stacy, Tarrant, Thorpe, Tyler, Valiper, Varey, Walter, Webb, Winter(s), Wood, Young ... From Sussex Quarter Sesssions 1730-1749 - Gill Capon-Browning ... Romany Gypsies in Ireland - opening the file - Kevin Doyle ...

website.lineone.net/~rtfhs/journal7.html - 26k - Similar pages

Rag and bone man Family History Local History
Chat about your British and Irish Genealogy UK Family History around England Wales Scotland Ireland. ... Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs Harts Hill: Baggot Wright .... Banks Seaford,Rottingdean Sussex Koller Poplar London,Como Italy. ... Our rag and bone man was a Gypsy. His name was Levi Lee. ...

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=2nt9... - 71k - Similar pages

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=2nt9jlr8of8sinv9jnufn5il11&topic=81306.75

Ann, you are a star! Thank you so much for all that information! :-))) The family is tricky, as I'm not sure that they kept the same names throughout their lives. Ah, the thrill of the chase! Thank you again, and good luck with your own research. Best wishes, Antonia

Thank you, Kath! :-) Yes, this is the same family - quite WHAT the census transcribers were thinking, I don't know. *g* Thanks so much for the this, and good luck with your ancestor hunting! Best wishes, Antonia

Thank you, Linda! It was very kind of you to look this up for me. :-)) As I said to Kath, I don't know *what* those transcribers were thinking, or maybe they were just putting it all down phonetically as they understood the accent. It's a fascinating family, so am digging up all I can.... Good luck with your tree research, and thanks again. :-) Best wishes, Antonia

Thanks, Dea! Yes, I'm working my way round the romanygenes site, and have had a very helpful response from someone on the forum there who had Delilah and Michael's marriage certificate and other very helpful information. :-) I've also joined the Romany and Traveller Family History Society, so shall be delving yet further. Many thanks!! Best wishes,
Antonia

Glad to be of help, Antonia.

SO pleased you found something useful !

Dea x

found this while doing a search for someone else - may be useful? 1881

George LEE Head M Male 80 Gloucester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Mary LEE Wife M Female 67 Monmouth, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Jorden LEE Son U Male 31 Gloucester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Jane LEE Daur U Female 29 Gloucester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
James LEE Son U Male 27 Worcester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Richard LEE Son U Male 24 Hereford, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Meyrick LEE Son U Male 21 Hereford, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Jackson LEE Son U Male 19 Monmouth, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
George LEE Son (Head) M Male 38 Gloucester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Susannah LEE Wife M Female 37 Gloucester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Caroline LEE Daughter U Female 11 Malvern, Worcester, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers
Jordan LEE Son U Male 8 Monmouth, England Travelling Gipsy Without Fixed Residence ((Or Occupation)) Basket Makers


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Source Information:
Dwelling Waungrifr Road (Tents)
Census Place Llanvillo, Brecon, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342314
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5461 / 31
Page Number 11

Yes, that may well be useful! I will keep that for future reference. Thank you. :-)))