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i know ive said his father {sidney { was sidney william evans not harry as that marr said so before i end this thread i would like to say thank you for your time & efforts apologies for mistakes on my part i now agree that my sidney is not connected in anyway to doris me walsh
& therefor will remain on tree with no wife details
as i say sorry for my mistake will not happen with any poss thread in future i can assure you of this

And David:

"had a look at tree
sidney william evans father was not harry evans it was sidney william evans born rochford essex 1920 died 1997 southend on sea his mother isabel newton
i have doris as born c 1821 essex"

For Doris: *c1921*, I assume.

Your date and place of birth for Doris is a guess with no basis, even if she had married your Sidney.
Doris did not marry your Sidney, so she is not related to your family.
There is therefore no reason at all for anyone to be spending time researching Doris.

So we agree this line of enquiry is ended now?

To clarify for anyone else (who hasn't read the thread I linked to early on -- and of course hasn't read the multiple PMs exchanged between me and David; this query should have been a continuation in that thread in the first place, for reasons that are evident here).

David's *only* interest in this Doris M Walsh was that she appeared to have married David's great-uncle's son, Sidney William Evans.

He otherwise has no interest in Doris M Walsh, so I'm afraid all of the searching for details about her is for nought, since she is not connected with David's Evans family.

The Sidney W Evans + Doris M Walsh had seemed to be a good match for the Sidney W Evans whom David is looking for. The only way to see whether it was the right Sidney W Evans was to order the marriage certificate. A thread about Doris M Walsh was premature. The marriage certificate has now established that the SWE who married DMW is not the right one.

The one who married DMW seems to be this one:

Name: Sidney W Evans
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharp
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1922
>>> Registration district: Bedford
Registration county: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingtonshire, Northhamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 511


So the inquiry about DORIS M WALSH really is a dead letter now.

Okay, the hope/assumption had been that this Sidney was the son of Sidney Evans and Isobel Newton, Southend being a known location of members of the Evans family.

This Sidney's name and father's name are wrong, so it was an unfortunate coincidence.

Since he's not related, could you remove the marriage details from your post? "Wrong one" will do the trick now.

Just a note about the dob for that Doris. You posted 1920-25; that was pure guesswork. It is never good to post a guess as fact! What you did know was the date of her marriage, and it's the *known* facts that people then did set about trying to ascertain. Since there's really no chance that anyone reading would recognize that Doris from your post (especially with the wrong dob guess), best thing all along was to obtain the marriage certificate as you did.


Your Sidney's birth is

Sidney W Evans Apr May Jun 1920 Rochford

and we had his death already, I believe:

Name: Sidney William Evans
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1997
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Register number: B69
District and Subdistrict: 2291B
Entry number: 9

-- at least, again, that seems like a reasonable assumption -- a 20 March birthdate with registration in April makes sense. So obtaining that death certificate to see whether a child or spouse was the informant would be my next step I think.

had a look at tree
sidney william evans father was not harry evans it was sidney william evans born rochford essex 1920 died 1997 southend on sea his mother isabel newton
i have doris as born c 1821 essex

Yes Jan, and I'm not surprised as I am struggling to follow all this myself - but even if this is not the right one it's one less that he might have bought so we've saved him a few pounds.

Jill

Some detail from the marriage above:

Francis was a warehouseman. Address 15 Witchampton Street. Father was a solicitor.

Emily - address 7 Curyon(?) Street. Father was a warehouseman.

Witnesses: William Micklehurst and Sarah Ann Micklehurst.

Jill

Jill,
David has doubts this is his Doris marriage, but i am not sure where he has got her year of birth from as this cert makes her older than he thought

Here's the Francis Walsh marriage:

Francis Eldridge Walsh
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Emily Collins
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Apr 1901
Parish: Holy Trinity, Hoxton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Adolphus Walsh
Spouse Father Name: Henry Collins

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Holy Trinity, Hoxton, Register of marriages, P91/TRI, Item 014




I'll get some more details.

Jill

jansmith
thank you for that maybe i can make some sense of it all
edit
im now having a look at my tree

no sorry i dont have that at all sorry
ive ordered many certs in the last 4 years thankfully most correct but i think this is a totally diffrent person ive NEVER had a cert where the cert gives fathers names in wrong boxes until this one

thank you for at least replying i cant follow this its totally confused me
but thank you for your info
i dont think that this is person im seeking ??

janey
ive sent for her marr cert 1944
when i recieve it i will pm you with the details
edit as stated on other thread i will post any search requests on the apprioate thread & not send details from a pm

We get over it, David. ;)

You did read past my first line, and are you going to get her marriage certificate? If you do, you can just send me the info privately and I can do some more poking for you.

apologies for my mistake i dont intentionally waste members time /efforts
apolgies

I hate to say it ...


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1230084


I sent David the marriage reg info, which is why he had the name.

David, having her father's name from the marriage cert could make it possible to find her parents' marriage. It would be nice of him to have fancy unusual names to go with the Walsh; even if not, it's essential info to have.

It will also give you her age, also essential info.

She may have been married before, in which case there's no point looking for her birth as Walsh. (Note what I said about a possible reason for the way the marriage is recorded, in my PM.) The marriage certificate would certainly tell you that -- her birth surname and first husband's surname, if that was the case. Given the date of the marriage, 1944, she could have been a young war widow, for example.


Yikes, forgive me. Some of the info I sent you was completely confused. The one marriage was 1944 -- the right one you refer to here. The other one -- that I thought was the same one -- was actually 1955! Nonetheless, given the oddly coincidental names, it *could* have been a remarriage for her.

as far as i know the marr certs only give the fathers details & its only a birth cert that gives mothers mmn
i have the marr reg details but as i say it wont give her mmn

done it,

michael & croftonlass
she is the wife of my great uncles son
they married 1944 southend on sea essex
his name sydney evans

What do you know about her ?
Did she marry ?
What relation is she to you?