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I am now trying to find out what happened to my Great Grandfather Frederick Alfred Balfour B 1856 in Paris France. His mother Ann Balfour died in 1857 in Pancras which I presume is London. In the 1861 and 1871 census's I can find his Father the Rev Alfred Balfour but he is on his own. Frederick then reappears in the 1881 census as married and the marriage certificate shows his Father as deceased. Alfred Balfour did not die until 1892. Is anyone able to tell me where he was in the missing years Thanks carol

Sorry I think I have just deleted my message I wanted to post.
Thank you for all the information. You think that Alfred BalfourMarried Ann Richardson in 1855 in Holborn Middlesex and they had one child Frederick Alfred balfour B 1856 in Paris France (my great grandfather

Ann died in 1857. I have followed the census right through for the rev Alfred Balfour but did not connect him to my Family as he did not seem to marry until 1868 to Eliza Maria Skinley and they had no children but as you say Ann died so he was a widower. Is this is what is said about my Great Grandfather Frederick Alfred Balfour coming from an Aristocratic family his father was a Minister Thanks again Carol Sorry if this posted twice

Thanks for all the information. You think Alfred Balfour married Ann Richardson in 1855 in Holborn. Do you think that Frederick Alfred Balfour B 1856 in Paris was their only child as Ann died in 1857, ( perhaps in child birth ) and he then remarried in in 1868 to Eliza Maria Skinley and they did not have any children. Is this what is meant by Frederick coming from an Aristocratic family his Father was a Minister .Carol

This could be his first marriage.

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Alfred Balfour 1855 Holborn London, Middlesex
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Esther Brazill 1855 Holborn London, Middlesex
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William Jennings 1855 Holborn London, Middlesex
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Ann Richardson 1855 Holborn London, Middlesex


and her death?

Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
Balfour Ann Pancras 1b 74


All just a guess though.

This appears to be the Alfred you found who was a minister in later life. The 1871 was a 2nd marriage.

I think the image actually says married not widower. He marries Eliza Maria Skinley in 1868.



1861 census transcription details for: Harringay Terrace, Hornsey
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 791 Folio: 5 Page: 1

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: 1 Hornsey
Parish: Hornsey Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Harringay Terrace, Hornsey
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BALFOUR, Alfred Head Widower M 50 1811 Schoolmaster
Islington
Middlesex
WILLIAMS, Long Unmarried F 18 1843 Governess
Oxford
WEBSTER, Mary A Servant Unmarried F 21 1840 General Servant
Bolback Park
HUMPHRIES, Authur Pupil M 7 1854 Scholar
London




1851 census transcription details for: 17, King Edward Street, Islington, London, Finsbury
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1499 Folio: 56 Page: 21

Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington West
Parish: Islington Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Marys City/Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 17, King Edward Street, Islington, London, Finsbury County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
AUSTIN, Sarah Head Married F 24 1827 Brokers Wife Canada B S
AUSTIN, Alice Daughter F 1 1850 Limehouse
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Revd Alfred Head Unmarried M 40 1811 Professer Of Languagos Islington
Middlesex
HUGHES, Rosa C Head Unmarried F 33 1818 Schoolmistress (School) Bloomsbury
Middlesex
HISSONS, George Lodger Unmarried M 27 1824 Draper Heath
Cambridge
JENNER, Emma Servant Unmarried F 18 1833 House Servt St George in the East
Middlesex





1841 census transcription details for: Frenchwood Street, Preston
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 498 Book/Folio: 11/27 Page: 7

Reg. District: Preston Sub District: Preston
Parish: Preston Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Preston
Address: Frenchwood Street, Preston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
PORTER, Richard M 55 1786 Lancashire
PORTER, Jane F 50 1791 Lancashire
PORTER, Robert M 20 1821 Lancashire
PORTER, Ralph M 15 1826 Lancashire
HARDMAN, Elizabeth F 8 1833 Lancashire
BALFOUR, Alfred M 30 1811 not of parish, minister
WHALLEY, James M 20 1821 Lancashire

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Sarah Shepherd
Name: Elizabeth Sarah Shepherd of 60 St Thomas Rd
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Frederick Alfred Balfour clerk of 6 St Thomas Rd
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Aug 1874
Parish: St Anne, Poole's Park
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Shepherd carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Balfour deceased


You seem to have found a bit of extra information on here.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=447826.0

I am still looking for Alfred Balfour, below Maureen in NZ has said that on Frederick Balfour (Alfred's son) marriage certificate it says Alfred was deceased. I have found a death for Edwin Alfred Balfour in Islington in 1864 I wondered if this could be him as they came from this area. It says in the newspaper cutting why Frederick was in prison in 1891 that Frederick came from an Aristocratic Family, I wonder which one as I can find no record of Frederick Alfred Balfour B1856 before 1881 Thanks carol

I am still unable to trace anything on why my Great Grandfather Frederick Alfred Balfour born 1856 was born in France. I have also looked for his father Alfred Balfour. As you suggested on Frederick's marriage certificate but no trace has anyone any idea how I might find some more information on this. Thanks Carol

Thanks for the information on Frederick Balfour I did look up Alfred Balfour said to be on Frederick's marriage record but the only Alfred Balfour born IslingtonI 1811 I could find on records from 1851 to 1891was a minister and only showing married on the 1871 census and no children.Died in 1892. So do not know if this would be the correct Alfred.
Carol

1911 census transcription details for: 6 Leith Road Wood Green

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN7250 RG78PN354 RD132 SD2 ED5 SN411


Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Wood Green
Parish: Wood Green Enum. District: 5
Address: 6 Leith Road Wood Green
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BALFORD,(Balfour on image) Frederick Alfred Head Married M 55 1856 House Painter France (says British subject by parentage)
BALFORD, Elizabeth Sarah Wife Married
36 years F 54 1857 Middlesex London
BALFORD, Flroence Edith Daughter in law Married F 23 1888 Middlesex London
BALFORD, Reginald Victor Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Middlesex London
BALFORD, Harold James Son Single M 15 1896 Factory Boy Middlesex Wood Green


His marriage record says his father was Alfred Balfour (deceased).

Maureen

The paper that had the article that Choccy pasted was a NZ paper of 1891.

A SALVATIONIST IN COURT.

Star , Putanga 7177, 30 Haratua 1891, Page 2



1881 census transcription details for: 28, Hatley Rd, Islington
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 274 Folio: 80 Page: 53

Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington East
Parish: Islington Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Hatley Rd, Islington
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BALFOUR, Frederick Head Married M 27 1854 Cabman
Paris (British Subject)
BALFOUR, Elizabeth S Wife Married F 24 1857
London, London
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Lizzie E Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
London, London
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Alfred H L Son Single M 3 1878
London, London
Middlesex




1891 census transcription details for: Newgate Prison, Bishops Court, St Sepulchre, London
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 237 Folio: 37 Page: 13

Reg. District: London City Sub District: St Sepulchre
Parish: St Sepulchre Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Sepulchre City/Municipal Borough: London
Address: Newgate Prison, Bishops Court, St Sepulchre, London
County: London

BALFOUR, Frederick A Prisoner Married M 37 1854 Prisoner House Painter
London




1891 census transcription details for: 17, Warberry Road, Tottenham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1079 Folio: 28 Page: 54

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Tottenham
Parish: Tottenham Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels Wood Green City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Warberry Road, Tottenham
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BALFOUR, Elizh Head Married F 34 1857 Nurse

BALFOUR, Edith Daughter F 13 1878 Servant Domestic
Finsbury Park
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Wm Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Finsbury Park
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Chas Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Finsbury Park
Middlesex
BALFOUR, John Son M 3 1888
Wood Green
Middlesex
BALFOUR, Herbt Son M 1 1890
Wood Green
Middlesex




1901 census transcription details for: 1, Clumber Villa, Dagmar Road, Wood Green
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1259 Folio: 163 Page: 29

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Tottenham
Parish: Wood Green Enum. District: 89
Ecclesiastical District: St Saviour Alexandra Park City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Clumber Villa, Dagmar Road, Wood Green
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
BALFOUR, Fredk A Head Married M 45 1856 House Painter
France British Sub
BALFOUR, Elizabeth S Wife Married F 44 1857
London
BALFOUR, Lizzie E Daughter Single F 25 1876 Laundry (Calendar Hand)
London
BALFOUR, Alfred H L Son Single M 23 1878 Carman
London
BALFOUR, William E Son Single M 19 1882 Coachman
London
BALFOUR, John Son Single M 13 1888
London
BALFOUR, Herbert E Son Single M 11 1890
London
BALFOUR, Reginald E Son Single M 6 1895
London
BALFOUR, Harold J Son Single M 5 1896
London




1911 census transcription details for: 6 Leith Road Wood Green
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN7250 RG78PN354 RD132 SD2 ED5 SN411

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Wood Green
Parish: Wood Green Enum. District: 5
Address: 6 Leith Road Wood Green
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BALFORD, Frederick Alfred Head Married M 55 1856 House Painter France
BALFORD, Elizabeth Sarah Wife Married
36 years F 54 1857 Middlesex London
BALFORD, Flroence Edith Daughter Married F 23 1888 Middlesex London
BALFORD, Reginald Victor Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Middlesex London
BALFORD, Harold James Son Single M 15 1896 Factory Boy Middlesex Wood Green


There had been 11 children in all but 3 had died. Florence Edith has daughter in law written beside her.

Once again another shock about my Great grandfather, the Salvation Army part is very correct as my family now are great Salvation Army people, I wonder what they will think of my findings. The reason I said he was born in France as I found it somewhere on Genes, I think it was in the 1881 census but need to check that, once again thanks for the information Carol

there is a tree on the Ancestry site - which includes the following -


A SALVATIONIST IN COURT.

_» Frederick Alfred Balfour, aged thirtyeight, a well-educated man, described as a painter, was brought up on remand at the Edmonton petty sessions, charged with criminally assaulting his own daughter, Edith, a girl fifteen years of age, at his house, 17, Warberry road, Wood Green, while her mother was away from home on Jan. 6 last. The case created great excitement owing to the prisoner and his wife being prominent Salvationist leaders. Mr Gill, barrister, instructed by Mr Maw, at the instance of the National Vigilance Association, prosecuted. Mr Coote and Mr Bartlett also watched the case on tbe part of the Society. Detective- Sergeant Nutkin, V Division, watched the case on the part of the Commissioners of Police ; and Mr John Avory, solicitor, defended the prisoner. Edith Balfour, fifteen, a good-looking, roßy-complexioned, intelligent girl, said she resided with her father and mother, and younger brothers. Her father and mother were connected with the Salvation army ; and they had a young girl named Nelly Lloyd, who lodged at their house, and attended tbe Army meetings. On the night of Jan. 5 last her father came home very ill, and complained of feeling very cold. He had a fit, and when it was over she and Nelly got him into bed. Witness then proceeded to tell a truly awful story of the circumstances under which the assault was committed. After it had come to the knowledge of the Vigilance Com- j mittee she was examined by Dr Hock ings, the divisional surgeon of police, and made a statement to Detective Inspector Miller. When her father heard that, he ran away from home, and the police could not get any trace of him. He was arrested at Manchester about the 18th of last month, and brought back to London. The girl was severely cross-examined, but she adhered to her statement, and denied that she had ever been intimate with anyone else. Nelly Lloyd and Dr Hockinjrs gave evidence, and the prisoner was committed for trial on a charge under the Criminal Law Amendment Act. The prisoner's history is said to be of a romantic character, he being descended from an aristocratic family. He was brought up in Ireland, and was made a ward in Chancery. On coming of age he met with his wife in the north of London, and they were married about seventeen years ago, and have lived in the district nearly ever Bince. Some time after his marriage he came into possession of property, with which he and his wife commenced businees; but they lost their money, and Balfour then became in turns a painter, cabdriver, tram conductor, and followed employments to try and earn a living. When a contingent of Salvationists reached Wood Green Mrs Balfour joined the Army, and was subsequently followed by her husband.

Not sure why he would have been born in France.


I have now found this -


http://www.oldbaileyonline


FREDERICK ALFRED BALFOUR, Sexual Offences > rape, 6th April 1891.


Reference Number: t18910406-359
Offence: Sexual Offences > rape
Verdict: Guilty
Punishment: Imprisonment > hard labour
User Wiki: Corrections; Add Information
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359. FREDERICK ALFRED BALFOUR (38) , Unlawfully carnally knowing Lizzie Edith Balfour, a girl under 16.

MESSRS. C. F. GILL and A. GILL Prosecuted; and MR. PURCELL Defended.

GUILTY .— Two Years' Hard Labour.

THIED COURT.—Saturday, April 11th, 1891.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.




EDIT - my deletion - it posted twice for some reason !

Thank You for the information on Frederick Balfour, perhaps not what I would have wanted to hear, but searching the family tree can be full of surprises, I would still like to know why he was born in France have you any idea how I would find this out.

Thanks Carol

could this be him -


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Fredk Alfred Balfour
Date of Trial: 6 Apr 1891
Trial Year: 1891
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image



Source Citation: Class: HO 27; Piece: 219; Page: 243


Crime - carnally knowing girl between 13 and 16 years.

2 years imprisonment!

My Great Grandfather Frederick A Balfour born 1856 was born in Paris France. Is it possible to trace my family tree back any further in France, I have tried but with no success. In the 1891 Census he was recorded as in Newgate Prison, would I be able to find out more about why he was in Prison Thanks Carol