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Hi All. Looking for some help after a long-time dead end.

I have the birth certificate listing my GGF's parents as Emma Salt and Henry Turner in 15/1/1876 in Walsall. I have their marriage certificate from 25/9/1865. I can find Henry and Emma on the 1881 census through IGI as living in Walsall, Henry aged 42 in Walsall with his birthplace shown as Leicester.
Would it be possible for anyone with a little more experience than me , and/or access to Leicester records to see if they can find any more references to him?
I don't have a DOB or know who his parents were.
Would be really grateful for any help.

Many Thanks
Paul

1871 England Census
Name: Henry Turner
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address, No 2 Court, 102 Croft St

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Turner 32 - collier
Emma Turner 33

???
1851 England Census
Name: Henry Turner
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Cathcart St

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1o
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
James Turner 43 - general Labourer; Newport, Shropshire
Elizabeth Turner 43
William Turner 20
Emma Turner 18
James Turner 16
Henry Turner 13
Sarah Turner 8
Martha Turner 6
David Turner 6
Thomas Turner 1
Edward Drewery 23 - Lodger
Richard Drewery 2 - Lodger
John Turnbels 23 - Lodger

Possible in view of location but yhe name is just too common - you really need the marriage cert for his father's name (he does have same occupation though - coal miner):

1861 England Census

Name: Henry Turner
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Bagworth, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall

Sophia Turner 64
Henry Turner 22
Charles Turner 26

I agree with brummiejan. Especially as Henry is a coal miner.

Ozi

Same family - just in case! The image says birthplace Leicestershire not Lincs, have sent correction.

1851 England Census

Name: James Turner
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Dowesthorp, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Addr

Registration district: Walsall

Sophia Turner 53
James Turner 23
Esther Turner 20
Henry Turner 12

Ancestry has the children as a separate household from the parents.

1841 England Census
Name: Henry Turner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Thornton
Hundred: Sparkenhoe
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Bagworth

Registration district: Blaby
Sub-registration district: Enderby
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Turner 35 - Coal miner
Sophia Turner 35
James Turner 13 - Coal miner
Ester Turner 11
Charles Turner 7
Henry Turner 2

Here is the family above in 1841. Parents are there but left off transcript. They are:

Thomas Turner 35 born in county (Coal miner)
Sophia Turner born elsewhere
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1841 England Census

Name: Henry Turner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Thornton
Hundred: Sparkenhoe
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Blaby
Sub-registration district: Enderby

James Turner 13
Ester Turner 11
Charles Turner 7
Henry Turner 2

Just out of interest, this is the 1881 Census from ancestry


1881 Census

Name: Henry Turner
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 116 Stafford St 5 Court 5
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Collier

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall

Henry Turner 42
Emma Turner 44 b.ca 1837, Walsall, Staffordshire
Emma Turner 10 b.ca 1871, Walsall
Elizabeth Turner 8 b.ca 1873, Walsall
Harry Turner 6 b.ca 1875, Walsall
Harriett Turner 2 b.ca 1879, Walsall




sylvia

I thought I'll throw this one in !!!

Name: Henry Turner
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Jul 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT GEORGE,LEICESTER,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Turner
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05981-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 870055
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

You say you have the marriage cert for Henry and Emma

Please give us ALL the info it contains....................

Wow 10 replies. I'm overwhelmed and very very grateful. Perhaps it's what happens when you make posts at midnight after a long trawl, but I missed off a lot of info on my original post.
Right !
Marriage Certificate is at 25/9/1865 at St Michael's Church , Rushall (walsall really) in the County of Stafford.Marriage of Henry Turner and Emma Salt, both age "full" Bachelor and Spinster, He a miner, she a lock maker, resident in Ryecroft (Walsall) .Father of Groom is Thomas Turner (Deceased), occupation Miner, and Father of the Bride is Ephraim Salt ( the only one ever?) who is a bricklayer. So it is Thomas, just can't find anything prior to this marriage certificate.

Ozi - Looks like you have something, but why would they be living in different houses?

To all of you , many thanks for time and energies.

Is there a charity you guys support where people can give a donation in lieu of thanks or anything??

Turner, British Isles
Father: Thomas , Mother: Elizabeth
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C059811

1. HENRY TURNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUL 1837 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England

2. JOSEPH TURNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUL 1837 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England

3. JOHN TURNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUL 1837 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England

Paul, I don't think they were living in different houses. I think the enumerator made a mistake when filling in his form.

Ozi

Paul

I have seen several times that members of families on the 1841 have been separated, with the children apparently living alone.

There are 2 reasons for this

...... one is that the modern day transcriber of the record made a mistake,

...... the second is that the enumerator at the time made a mistake in either taking down the information or in transferring the information from the sheets on which he originally collected the information into the census book for the whole area.




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sylvia

Well I certainly thank you .. All of you!

You're very welcome!



sylvia