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Great excitment!
1881 Census
Benjamin Bayfield MILES
Head M Male 51 Pulham, Norfolk, England Grocer & Draper
Susannah MILES
Wife M Female 41 Wortley Leeds, York, England
John B. MILES
Son U Male 24 Doncaster, York, England Railway Stoker
Walter B. MILES
Son Male 16 Wortley Leeds, York, England Grocers Assistant
Florence Martha MILES
Daur Female 4 Wortley Leeds, York, England Scholar
Jessie Lake B. MILES
Son Female 2 Wortley Leeds, York, England
Dwelling: 6 Tong Road, Wortley In Bramley, Leeds,Yorkshire

The Search Record Pilot for Pulham, Norfolk has no Benjamin Miles in either parish around 1828 so I looked at the single line census for other years

1861 Census
Miles Benjamin 1828 Fincham Hunslet, Wortley

gives an entirely different birth place but a Search Records Pilot for Fincham has an entry which transcribed by me becomes

BENJAMIN BAIFIELD MILES
Christening: 05 AUG 1827 Fincham, Norfolk
Mother: JANE MILES

The baptism records do not go back before 1813 so no sign of Jane.
Please can anybody see if Benjamin shows up in 1841 in either Fincham or Pulham, or anywhere else?
I couldn't see him in the single line census for either '41 or '51

Many thanks,
Frances

Further delving for Benjamin has produced

Deaths Jun 1911
Miles Benjamin B 84 Bramley
9b 157


1911 Census
Miles Benjamin B 1827 Berham Norfolk Bramley

but I cannot see any Derham on my maps. The 1911 is either not playing ball or there is not anybody else living with Benjamin at the time of the census

Could be a second marriage...

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Balmforth Thomas Whitby 9d 972
Jackson Hannah Elizabeth Whitby 9d 972
MILES Benjamin Bayfield Whitby 9d 972
POUND Mary Whitby 9d 972

Chris :)

Hi Chris, If this is the same Benjamin, and there surely can't be too many with a second name Bayfield, where are they in 1901? He isn't showing up for me so can't decide which is his 2nd wife.....

Thanks SomersetGirl, the plot thickens! Are there two Benjamin B Miles from Norfolk born in 1827 because the marriage I have for mine is

Marriages Mar 1863
MILES Benjamin Kirkstall
9b 290

SMITH Susan Kirkstall
9b 290

and that does not make 62 years??

Just adding 1871...(no advance on 41, 51 or 1901 though)


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MILES, Benjamin Barfield Head M 43 1828 Norfolk VIEW
MILES, Sussanah Wife F 32 1839 Yorkshire VIEW
MILES, John Son M 14 1857 Yorkshire VIEW
MILES, Walter Son M 5 1866 Yorkshire VIEW
MILES, Harry Son M 0 1871 Yorkshire VIEW
CLAPHAM, Charles Thos Nephew M 12 1859 Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4532 Folio:
6 Page:
5

Registration District:
Bramley Sub District:
Wortley Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wortley

Chris :)

Just to add, looks like nephew Charles T Clapham, is next door on 1861 census, down as nephew again!.

Thank you SomersetGirl and Chris. I think the 1861 family is correct as Benjamin has a son John born 1857 Doncaster with him in 1881. Oh flipping whatsit, there is a lot more to unravel here....
Is he a bigamist or does the Doncaster wife die or change her name?

SomersetGirl I also have seen that IGI Submitted record and 'Family' includes some of the children shown in the 1881! I have not found a marriage in FreeBMD in Doncaster and wondered whether somebody was trying to legitamise John B 1857?

Sorry for my intermittent presence but I am trying to 'multitask' or, like my old computer, work on 'interrupts'

Just adding nephew Charles on 1861, in case of clue with other names!.Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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SHELBECK, Fanny Head Widow F 50 1811 Draper
Methley
Yorkshire VIEW
SHELBECK, Susannah Daughter Unmarried F 23 1838 Milliner
Worsley
Yorkshire VIEW
SHELBECK, Jose Son Unmarried M 20 1841 Drapers Assistant
Worsley
Yorkshire VIEW
CLAPHAM, Alfred Nephew Unmarried M 7 1854 Scholar
Worsley
Yorkshire VIEW
CLAPHAM, Charles T Nephew Unmarried M 2 1859
Worsley
Yorkshire VIEW
WILSON, Elizabeth Niece Unmarried F 19 1842 Servant General
Methley
Yorkshire VIEW
JANIS, John Visitor Unmarried M 35 1826 ...Barber
Ruthin
Derbyshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
3350 Folio:
91 Page:
33

Registration District:
Hunslet Sub District:
1 Wortley Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John the Baptist New Wortley

Civil Parish:
Wortley Leeds Municipal Borough:
Leeds Address:
87, Wellington Road, Wortley Leeds, Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)

(wonders if his wife Hannah died, and he remarried!, could it have been that Susannah above, she was next door to him and Hannah on census, lol, stranger things have happened!) :-))

Chris :)
(will check back later!)

Chris you have stumbled on the family I unravelled a couple of years ago! In the 1881 for Fanny Skilbeck she has her granson listed as Walter B Miles with her. Skilbeck is her second marriage, the first being Smith.
I have just found

Marriages Dec 1855
MILES Benjamin Halifax
9a 495

SMITH Hannah Halifax
9a 495

but I also have

Marriages Mar 1863
MILES Benjamin Kirkstall
9b 290

SMITH Susan Kirkstall
9b 290

There is also
Deaths Dec 1861
Miles Hannah Doncaster
9c 284

Are they just coincidence?

Charles Thomas Clapham born 1858 Wortley parents Joseph Clapham 1830 Hunslet and Sarah Ann nee Smith born 1830 Wortley.Married J/A/S 1849 Leeds V23 Page 387.
1901 B B Miles and Florence B Miles are boarders in Wortley District 15 > 31 head of house Matilda Litchfield born Scotland 1832.

1861 John Miles born Doncaster 1857 at grandma's Sarah Smith born 1802 Carcroft Yorks.
She is a widow and victullar.

Maryb

1861 Benjamin with Hannah born Doncaster and daughter Alice born 1859/60 in Halifax.
A Benjamin Miles married Hannah SMITH in Halifax 1855 could this be sister to Susan/Susannah??

Death for a Alice Miles in Doncaster 1861?
Death for Hannah Miles in Halifax 1861 and Doncaster 1865.

lol, well there is this...


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Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
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CALVERT Reuben Halifax 9a 495
MILES Benjamin Halifax 9a 495
Mills Benjamin Halifax 9a 495
SMITH Hannah Halifax 9a 495
WADDINGTON Mary

(seems Hannah and Susannah were sisters!)

Chris :)

(just seen Mary's posting, so could well be!)

Heres Hannah
1851 John Smith innkeeper born 1805 says farlow Yorks
Sarah Smith 1803 Carcroft so same as Sarah who John Miles is with in 1861.
Hannah Smith 1837 Doncaster Pupil teacher.
Address Royal Oak Doncaster district 12 > 34.

1841 Royal Oak Yard d12 > 4
John Smith 1805 Blacksmith
Sarah 1805
Hannah 1837
Jane 1840.

Maryb

1851 Wortley
Christopher Smith 1800 wortley
Mary Ann born Armley 1802
Mary 1823
SARAH ANN 1828 married Joseph Clapham??
Ann 1831
Nancy 1834
Maria 1838
SUSANNA 1840 New Wortley
Jane Emma 1846
Elizabeth 1848

1861 Mary Ann Smith born Armley 1802
Sarah Ann 1831
SUSAN 1844
Jane Emma 1847.

So we have Hannah Smith mum Sarah Smith 1802 Carcroft and Susan/Susanah Smith mum Mary Ann Smith born Armley leeds.

Maryb
Same family 1841 Tankersley Yorks D 6a > 21
Hannah 1835 could this be Nancy off 1851 census
Esther 1840.

So this Susan/Susannah also had sister Hannah!!!

Doing a search in Bramley 1901, by birth year variant, brings this up!...

Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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LICHFIELD, Matilda Head Widow F 69 1832
Scotland VIEW
LICHFIELD, Noah Son Single M 45 1856 Wool Washer
Fleetwood
Lancashire VIEW
MILES, B B Boarder Married M 73 1828 Living On Own Means
Norfolk VIEW
MILES, Florence B Boarder Single F 21 1880 Tailoress
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
PERCY, William Boarder Married M 42 1859 Blacksmith
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
MCDERMOT, Joseph Boarder Married M 53 1848 Stoker
Halifax VIEW
GREAVES, John Boarder Married M 55 1846 Carter
Bramley
Yorkshire VIEW
JOHNSON, William Boarder Married M 48 1853 Bricklayers Labourer
Boston Libsey VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4209 Folio:
165 Page:
32

Registration District:
Bramley Sub District:
Wortley Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John the Baptist

Civil Parish:
Wortley Municipal Borough:
Address:
43, Bruce Street, Wortley

(seems no wife again, as in 1911!)

Chris :)

and 1851, Lincs. before moving Yorks. way, probably with railway.

Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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TAYLOR, Ann Head Widow F 58 1793 None
Frith Bank
Lincolnshire VIEW
CRONIN, Michael Lodger Unmarried M 23 1828 Enginer
Cork VIEW
MILES, Benjamin Lodger Unmarried M 24 1827 Engine Man
VIEW
LEE, William Lodger Unmarried M 28 1823 Smith
VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2099 Folio:
420 Page:
37

Registration District:
Boston Sub District:
Boston Enumeration District:
3M Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Boro of Boston Municipal Borough:
Boston Lincolnshire Address:
George Street, Boro Of Boston, Boston Lincolnshire County:
Lincolnshire

You have all been so busy whilst I've been away.
For the record this is my Susannah Smith family :-

JOSEPH SMITH
Christening: 12 OCT 1834 Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire
Father: JESSEY SMITH
Mother: FANNY

Births Dec 1837
SMITH Susannah Leeds
23 370

Births Dec 1840
Smith Jesse Leeds
23 430


JESSE SMITH Marriage: 30 MAY 1830 Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire
Spouse: FANNY SMITH

1851 census
Jesse Smith 47 Ossett
Fanny Smith 40 Methley
Susannah Smith 13 Wortley
Jesse Smith 11 Wortley
Ann Prince 13 Servant

I have not found Fanny Smith remarrying but the children have the surname Skileck (or however transcribed) in 1861

Hi Chris and Mary. Thank you for all your posts. I have read through them again and I believe that everything has some connection with Benjamin Bayfield Miles.
His son John B being with his grandma Sarah Smith in1861 and Walter B being with his grandma Fanny Smith (as was) in 1881 means that Benjamins wives both being Smith is just coincidence and they were not sisters !


All I need now is to find out if Benjamin's Bayfield was his possibly his fathers name........?

1841 Jesse Smith with wife FRANCIS.

Francis Smith married A/M/J 1856 Leeds 9b 379 to George SKILBECK.

Maryb

Thank you Mary, as the info was not desperate to prove the tree I obviously didn't get the brain sufficiently into gear to try Frances for Fanny!