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Thankyou very much on all the info on this ,my head is now swimming ,give me a chance to digest it ,trying to find there children

The witnesses on Emma's marriage could well be her Aunt Amelia Hiley and her husband;

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Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
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HENDERSON Caroline Ann Islington 1b 292
>>>>>>>>HILEY Amelia Islington 1b 292
>>>>>>>>>STAUNTON William Islington 1b 292
TANNER George Henry Islington 1b 292



It looks likely that James Berryman had died prior to 1861 and poor Elizabeth Hiley looks like she never married as I have found her in 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891. In the last 2 census that I found she was a cook. Would like to find her in 1841 but haven't yet.


Dee x

Looks like Emma's mother Elizabeths baptism;

ELIZABETH HILEY Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 23 MAY 1823

Christening: 15 JUN 1823 Chertsey, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: EDWARD HILEY Family
Mother: REBECCA



All Edward and Rebecca's childrens baptisms;

1. EDWARD HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1820 Chertsey, Surrey, England

2. AMELIA HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 AUG 1830 Chertsey, Surrey, England

3. MARY ANN HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 FEB 1833 Chertsey, Surrey, England

4. ELIZABETH HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUN 1823 Chertsey, Surrey, England

5. ANN HILEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 NOV 1835 Chertsey, Surrey, England

Why James didn't marry Elizabeth Hiley;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Berryman
Name: James Berryman >> Gent
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Spouse Name: Caroline Bliss
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jul 1842
Parish: St George the Martyr
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Berryman >>> Farmer
Spouse Father Name: James Bliss >> Baker

So James may have been engaged to Caroline Bliss but still had his wicked way with Elizabeth Hiley??

Ohh.. just noticed Caroline is living with the Berrymans in 1841!!!


Dee x

I wonder??

1841 England Census
about James Berryman Jur
Name: James Berryman Jur
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chertsey
Hundred: Godley (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chertsey
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Berryman 55 >>> Farmer
James BerrymanJur 25 >>> Farmer
Lucy Harris 25
Henry Harris 5
John Harris 3
Caroline Bliss 20
Ann Brockman 15
Joseph Styles 15

Looks like Emma's baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Bergham Hiley
Name: Emma Bergham Hiley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Jan 1842
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hiley >> Single woman
Parish: St Peter, Chertsey
Borough: Parishes Not in A Borough
County: Surrey

The original image states Emma Berryman Hiley

1851 England Census
about Emma Hiley
Name: Emma Hiley
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Chertsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chertsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Chertsey St Peter
Town: Chertsey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Hiley 62
Edward Hiley 30
Emma Hiley 9


I don't think Edward is her father as listed because he is stated as unmarried and the marriage details for her state James Berryman.

1841 England Census
about Rebecca Hiley
Name: Rebecca Hiley
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Chertsey
Hundred: Godley (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chertsey
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hiley 45
Rebecca Hiley 50
David Hiley 13
Amelia Hiley 11
Ann Hiley 5

Thomas and Emma's marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Kirly
Name: Thomas Kirly >>> Lighterman
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Emma Hiley
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 May 1866
Parish: St Mary, Staines
County: Surrey
Borough: Spelthorne
Father Name: John Kirly >>> Sawyer
Spouse Father Name: James Berryman >>> farmer



Witnesses; William and Amelia Staunton



Dee x

That's a better 1871;

1871 England Census
about Thomas Kerby
Name: Thomas Kerby
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Kerby 29 >>> Lighterman
Emma Kerby 29
Thomas L Kerby 4
Emma Kerby 2
Joseph E Kerby 1
Sarah Holsworth 70 >>> Lodger

Looks like james parents in 1881;

1881 England Census
about Thomas Kirby
Name: Thomas Kirby
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: New Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Lighterman

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Kirby 39
Emma Kirby 39
Joseph Kirby 11
Arthur Kirby 8
Rebecca Kirby 6
Frank Kirby 4
Harry Kirby 2
Emma Kirby

In case you haven't got Mary's parents marriage details

Name: William Collett occ Servant
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Hannah Blunden
Age: Minor
Address for both: Old Brentford
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1855
Parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Ealing
Father Name: William Collett occ Labourer
Spouse Father Name: William Blunden occ Labourer
Witnesses: Thomas Collett & Emma Crouch

1871 England Census
about Thomas Kirby
Name: Thomas Kirby
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Kirby 30 >>> Coal porter
Emma Kirby 30
Emma Kirby 6
Thomas Kirby 4


Maybe not them but who knows??


Dee x

Kirby it is !!.............

KIRBY, James Thomas Head Married M 44 1867 Lighterman Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Mary Ann Wife Married
25 years F 44 1867 Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Joseph Henry Son Single M 23 1888 Barman Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Henry Son Single M 18 1893 Chauffeur Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Mary Daughter Single F 16 1895 Servant Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Emma Daughter Single F 14 1897 Brentford Middx VIEW
KIRBY, Annie Daughter F 6 1905 Brentford Middx VIEW
COLLETT, William Father Widower M 78 1833 Brentford Middx VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6921 Reference:
RG14PN6921 RD128 SD4 ED54 SN350

Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Brentford Enumeration District:
54 Parish:
Brentford

Address:
44 Brook Road Brentford County:
Middlesex

Dea x

Looks like his baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Thomas Kirby
Name: James Thomas Kirby
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Aug 1868
Father's Name: Thomas Kirby >>> Waterman
Mother's Name: Emma Kirby
Parish: St George, Old Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex

DOD 3rd Nov 1866


baptised with a sister Emma Mary DOB 1st May 1868



Dee x

1911 census transcription details for: 44 Brook Road Brentford

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN6921 RD128 SD4 ED54 SN350


Reg. District: Brentford Sub District: Brentford
Parish: Brentford Enum. District: 54
Address: 44 Brook Road Brentford
County: Middlesex
KIRBY, James Thomas Head Married M 44 1867 Lighterman Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Mary Ann Wife Married
25 years F 44 1867 Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Joseph Henry Son Single M 23 1888 Barman Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Henry Son Single M 18 1893 Chauffeur Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Mary Daughter Single F 16 1895 Servant Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Emma Daughter Single F 14 1897 Brentford Middx
KIRBY, Annie Daughter F 6 1905 Brentford Middx
COLLETT, William Father Widower M 78 1833 Brentford Middx


Maureen

1891 England Census
about James Thomas Kirby
Name: James Thomas Kirby
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Thomas Kirby 24
Mary A Kirby 24
Joseph H Kirby 2


Dee x

Are you sure KUBY isn't KIRBY????

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Marriages Mar 1887 (>99%)
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>>>>>>Collett Mary Ann Brentford 3a 82
Hatch Thomas Brentford 3a 82
>>>>>>Kirby James Thomas Brentford 3a 82
Payne Ann Brentford 3a 82




Dee x

I think it's Kirby:
Name: James Thomas Kirby Occ:Lighterman
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Collett
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Feb 1887
Parish: Christ Church, Turnham Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: Thomas Kirby Occ:Lighterman
Spouse Father Name: William Collett Occ:Market Gardener


Maureen

1861 England Census
about William Collett
Name: William Collett
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: Spring Grove
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Household Members: Name Age
William Collett 27
Hannah Collett 23
William Collett 5
James Shortland 22 >> Lodger

1871 England Census about Mary A Collett
Name: Mary A Collett
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Anna
Gender: Female
Where born: New Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
William Collett 37
Anna Collett 33
William Collett 14
Edward Collett 9
John Collett 7
Mary A Collett 4
Anna Collett 1