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Thanks Fanny..... I thought that was probably the answer but worth a try. I'm a bit spasmodic in my searching at the mo. but in time will have more time. Today has been great, finding all that extra info. will spur me on to the next find. Thanks to you all.

Nope.

We are all Family History nutters(hoobyists) that like to do this.

I do it for the satisfaction of maybe solving something for someone and I enjoy the chase.
Its a bit like cryptic crosswords to me.

And to keep me out of trouble..:)


To find people related to you (maybe) you need to "search trees" on here and Ancestry.

you folk are amazing, next question - are any of you related to me?

Just because it says that on her birth it does not mean they were married.

She may have lied or he went to the office with her to reg Muriel.

Many "marriages"were the figment of the mothers imagination.

Fathers occupation shown as Private Detective.

It is definately Jinman on the 1911 image, as Barbara says..

I have the birth certifcate which shows Amelia as Formerly Jinman so assume a marriage took place. Father shown as George Christian - Private Detective. I'll have a look at the marriage for Amelia/Hubbard. Thanks.

This certainly looks to be the same family. Not aware of Howard Douglas though the name Douglas is the 2nd name of my father, brother and now his children too. So it looks to be good. I have come across Grisman previously but need to refresh my thoughts on that one.

Sounds like Patricia only has the short version of Muriel's birth certificate.
You would need to get the full version to see what details it gives for parents names.
They could well not have been married, especially as it looks like Amelia married under her maiden name in 1912 to Mr. Hubbard

Interesting..

This appears to be Douglas Christening


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Douglas Howard
Name: Douglas Howard
Record Type: Births
Date: 12 Jun 1903
Mother's Name: Minnie Christian
Poor Law Union: Paddington
Borough: Westminster
County: London

Baptised July 9th and it is in Paddington Workhouse.


Births Jun 1903
CHRISTIAN Douglas Howard Paddington 1a 48

1881:
Name: Amelia C. Jinman
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Christiana
Gender: Female
Where born: Eastbourne, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 49 Talma Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Jinman 49
Christiana Jinman 47
Alfred G. F. Jinman 21
Percy W. Jinman 19
Lionel B. Jinman 13
Amelia C. Jinman 10
Stanley Jinman 4

Well done Barbara.

That sure has to be them...

Does it not give Muriels fathers occupation on her birth cert?

I wonder:

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Jinman Amelia C Hubbard Wandsworth 1d 1617

Really trying to trace either surname but primarily Christian. I don't know if Olive had siblings. I have birth certificate for Muriel showing - Birth 38 Douglas Road, Willesden, Hendon, Middlesex. England. No other info. on her parents at all sadly. Thanks for such quick responses.

Hi Patricia

There is this in 1911 census !!! It does look to say JINMAN on the image for the father

Do you know if Muriel had a brother Douglas ?


1911 census transcription details for: 18 Christchurch St S W

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN400 RG78PN13 RD4 SD2 ED4 SN94


Reg. District: Chelsea Sub District: Chelsea South
Parish: Chelsea Enum. District: 4

Address: 18 Christchurch St S W
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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GRISMAN, Alfred Head Married F 79 1832 Mechanic/ Carpenter Selsea

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CHRISTANIA, Amelia Daughter Single F 39 1872 Home Eastbourne

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OLIVE, Muriel Daughter F 10 1901 School Kilburn

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HOWARD, Douglas Son M 7 1904 School Paddington

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It also says Murial Olive and Douglas Howard on the image (as if they were there forenames not surnames)

Can't see a marriage for Amelia Jinman

Does daughter's birth cert say Amelia Jinman, or Amelia Christian formerly Jinman ?

Name: Muriel Olive Christian
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Spouse Name: Henry Thompson
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Sep 1918
Parish: Christ Church, Battersea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: George Christian<<<Private Detective.(deceased)
Spouse Father Name: John Henry Thompson

Witnesses are not of the Christian family.


Not at that Douglas Road address in 1901 Jonesey.

I just checked.

Muriels birthplace according to a tree on Ancestry:

Birth 38 Douglas Road, Willesden, Hendon, Middlesex. England

There is a problem however. There was no 1911 census return for that particular address although all the neighbouring properties are represented.

So what is the surname here please?
Jinman or Christian?

Hmm.
Christian then I guess.

Births Dec 1900
Christian Muriel Olive Hendon 3a 210

Do you have the parents marriage for their ages and Georges occupation please?


Dont see a marriage for them on Freebmd.

Are there any siblings for Muriel?

Trying to find George Christian who was married to Amelia Christiana Jinman. They had a daughter Muriel Olive (my grandmother) born 1900 in Wilsden Hendon. I have not been able to trace them in either 1901 or 1911 census.