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Irish Riddle

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Nick

Nick Report 21 Jul 2010 15:58

Sorry brain-wave!
William was my Great Grand Uncle (Annie's sister).

Nick

Nick Report 21 Jul 2010 11:15

Blimey, thanks ever so much guys
Been away for a while and have come back to all this detail.
Can't thank you enough, so will now go away and contemplate all this.

:)

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 11 Jul 2010 09:15

And here's Catherine;

1891 England Census
about Catherine Deymer
Name: Catherine Deymer
[Catherine Wells]
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England

Civil parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Kingston On Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Deymer 27
Catherine Deymer 20
George Deymer 11/12

These were also under the name of Denyer, however looking at the original image they are a seperate family and their surname is WELLS, so nothing to do with the Denyers;


Caroline Deymer 42
Lily G Deymer 16
Kate E Deymer 14
Ann E Deymer 11
Bessie S Deymer 10


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 11 Jul 2010 09:10

Looks like George Denyer must be a Grandson, and is their first childs Catherines son, here's her marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Budd Henry Staines 3a 34
>>>>>>>DENYER George Staines 3a 34
>>>>>>>>GOGGIN Catharine Staines 3a 34
Howat Jessie Rebecca Staines 3a 34




Dee x

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 11 Jul 2010 08:46

Hi --1911-- 1 wielands cottages green lane sunbury


Richard Goggin 65 labourer
Ann Noraher Goggin 68 laundry hand
William Goggin 33 labourer
George Denyer 19 labourer--- now descibed as nephew ( grandson on 1901)

States married 43 years( that ties in with the 1868 marriage found by safc ) , 9 children , 7 still alive.
best wishes

vanessa

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 10 Jul 2010 09:21

Nick...1911 Census answers the query about Honora but not place of Birth..???? Location also states Sunbury..I would discount that and look towards the Co's Cork/Limerick or Tipp....also variation of Surname eg Geoghegan...sorry I dont have any credits to check 1911 Census to clarify info.for you.

Surname Forename Year of birth Place of birth Location in 1911 Individual
Household

Goggin William 1878 Sunbury Middsex Staines View View
Goggin Richard 1846 Sunbury Middsex Staines View View
Goggin Ann Noraher 1843 Sunbury Middsex Staines


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Jul 2010 23:21

OOOHHHH>>>>>>>> Look at the wifes name again;

1901 England Census
about Richard Gogin
Name: Richard Gogin
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Honora
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Sunbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Gogin 56
Honora Gogin 54
Annie Gogin 27
William Gogin 24
Richard Gogin 20
Ada Gogin 18
Frederick Gogin 14
George Denyer 9 <<< Grandson


Guess what the address is? Yep, Green lane.

So looks likely that an accent may have been misinterpretated the wifes name in the other census returns??


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Jul 2010 23:18

More children for them;

1891 England Census
about Richard Goggin
Name: Richard Goggin
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunbury, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Sunbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Sunbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Goggin 45
Hannah Goggin 46
Hannah Goggin 19
William Goggin 14
Richard Goggin 10
Ada Goggin 8
Frederick Goggin 4


Still living at GREEN LANE.


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Jul 2010 22:59

This is looking like Richard with his parents and siblings as they are living in GREEN LANE which is the same address as the 1881 census;

1861 England Census
about Richard Goggin
Name: Richard Goggin
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Margret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Sunbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
William Goggin 55
Margret Goggin 50
John Goggin 22
Ellen Goggin 20
Richard Goggin 18
James Goggin 40


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Jul 2010 22:52

I suspect that Richard may have remarried?

1881 England Census
about Catherine Goggin
Name: Catherine Goggin
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England

Civil parish: Sunbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Green Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Goggin 40
Ann Goggin 43
Catherine Goggin 12
Ann Goggin 10
Mary Goggin 6
William Goggin 4
Richard Goggin


Parents both born Ireland.


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 9 Jul 2010 22:50

Looks like them in 1871;

1871 England Census
about Catherine Gaggin
Name: Catherine Gaggin
Age: 11 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Honora
Gender: Female
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England
Civil parish: Gravesend
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Gravesend
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Gravesend
Sub-registration district: Gravesend
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Gaggin 26
Honora Gaggin 35
Catherine Gaggin 11 months


It states that the parents were both born Sunbury, Middlesex... however census info is only as good as the person who took it?


Dee x

Nick

Nick Report 9 Jul 2010 14:52

OK guys
Thanks for the details to date, I will now go back and double check all the certificate details I have and see if I can see any links.

Thanks again and I will update soon.

Nick

Nick Report 9 Jul 2010 12:39

Hmmmmm
Or is it!!
This is getting rather confusing now as a number of PaulaW's entries look good.
How can wifes name diferentiate between Honorah and Ann!?

Yours highly confuddled
Nick

Nick

Nick Report 9 Jul 2010 12:34

Hi safc
Thanks for checking, doubtful if this is my G/G/Granparents.
Can confirm wifes name was Honorah as I have it on my G/Grandfathers (William) and G/Grandmothers (Annie) birth certificates.
I am hazarding a guess that they may have married prior to coming over from Ireland.

Thanks again

PaulaW

PaulaW Report 9 Jul 2010 12:29

1881 ??

Name: Richard Goggin
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Sunbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Green Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Bricklayer Labourer

Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Goggin 40
Ann Goggin 43
Catherine Goggin 12
Ann Goggin 10
Mary Goggin 6
William Goggin 4
Richard Goggin

Abby

Abby Report 9 Jul 2010 11:37

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
Burke Ann St George South'k 1d 161
GOGGIN Richard St George South'k 1d 161

Nick

Nick Report 9 Jul 2010 10:16

Hi Elsa
Sorry should have been more clearer to what detials i need.
Yes Richard and Honorah were my G/G/Grandparents.
I would like to find out where and when they were born, and also in when they were married.
Also if there were any other children to the ones listed.

Thanks in advance
Nick

Nick

Nick Report 9 Jul 2010 08:56

Hi first time request here hoping someone can help.
I'm trying to find details of my G-G-Grandfather/Mother, who I understand were born in Ireland.
The best details I have are:
RICHARD GOGGIN b circa1840
Married
HONORAH BURKE b circa1850
Children
CHARLES b circa1872
WILLIAM b 18/04/1876 Sunbury Middlesex
ANNIE b 27/02/1882 Acton London
RICHARD b 28/06/1886

May well be back for further info if there is a success here.
Thanks in advance.
Nick