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Hi Jenny,

still not found John P Clarke on the 1851, I'll keep looking though.

Hi Jennifer,

Oh I don't envy you, moving is hard work at the best of times.... but with this heat, oh deary me. Hopefully you'll be settled into your new home soon and able to put your feet up.


Dee x

glad to see you are both still on the case! Have been off line as we are moving house. Very hot for packing and lifting furniture so just having 5 min break.

Jennifer

Hi Dee
You have been such a help thank you.
On this 1861 census (which was a very good find) it shows Onslow aged 8 so Eliza is definitely not his mother as she married John in 1859 and i do have the certificate and it states he is a widower. If we could find out where he was in 1851 we might find who Onslows mother was and as i said about him moving about he could have been anywhere.
As a matter of interest John's parents i believe were Irish so the plot thickens. Also i do know John had been in the hussars---as a bandmaster he never went abroad as around that time there were a lot of wars going on---hey whats changed!
jenny

Not sure if you have this Jenny;

1861 England Census
about Onslow J Taylor
Name: Onslow J Taylor
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Edonborough, Scotland

Civil parish: Stretford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Taylor 34
John P Clark Taylor 44 Born British Subject, France
Eliza J Taylor 45 Born North Wales, Kanawen
Onslow J Taylor 8


John P Clark and family should not be Taylor... they are Boarders with Martha Taylor and she is a widow bornWarminster, Wiltshire . Johns occupation is Band Master 17 (??) Hussars.



Dee x

Hi Jenny,

this looks likely to be Eliza Wyatts baptism record;

ELIZA JANE WYATT Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 APR 1815 Llanrug, Caernarvon, Wales

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: GEORGE WYATT Family
Mother: ELIZA



Dee x

Hey Dee, yes that looks very good but wonder why it is John C and not John P!
Nothing is ever staight forward eh!
Jenny

Hi Jenny,

Looks good??

1881 England Census
about Jno. C. Clarke
Name: Jno. C. Clarke
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza J.
Gender: Male
Where born: (B S), France

Civil parish: St George Hannover Square
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Denbigh St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bandmaster Soldier Off

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. C. Clarke 64
Eliza J. Clarke 64 >> Born North Wales, Canorfen??
Mary H. Batten 22 >> servant


Dee x

Jenny,

when and where was John Power Clarke born??


Dee x

At last!!

1891 Census of Canada
about Alice Moseley
Name: Alice Moseley
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Nova Scotia
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Nova Scotia
District Number: 33
District: Halifax City
Subdistrict: Ward 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Willias Moseley 36 >> Born England. Occupation; Coachman
Elizabeth Moseley 29 >> Born England
Elizabeth Moseley 6 >> Born Ireland
William Moseley 5 >> Born England
Alice Moseley 3 >> Born Halifax
Jennie Moseley 2 >> Born Halifax... image does look like Jennie??


Dee x

Well looks like the plot thickens.
That one was out of the blue with Alice born usa/canada
I think the P stands for Power as Julius grandfather was John Power Clarke. He died in 1888 in Hammersmith. I wonder if you could find him on the 1881 census for me! His wife was Eliza. John had a son Onslow Charles Henry Clarke and Julius Onslow was the fifth son of Onslow. Would Nellie or Harry show uo on the 1911 census?
Thanks again for your help
jenny

Jennifer (RB),

yes you're right, Halifax is in Canada......... how could they get that wrong, i wonder if it is made up???

I can't see them in 1891 although there was a daughter born around that time apparently in Hanover Square??


Dee x

Dee I saw that and wondered. It really bugs me when I can't trace someone!

I did think though that Halifax was in Canada and on the image though it says America someone has written Canada in the margin.

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer (x2),

I think Alice may have been born in Halifax, United States. I came across this;

1901 England Census
about Alice Moseley
Name: Alice Moseley
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Laura
Gender: Female
Where born: Halifax, United States

Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anselm Davies Street
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Mayfair and Knightsbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 226
Household Members: Name Age
William Moseley 46
Laura Moseley 40
Alice Moseley 13
Jessie Moseley 12
Kiney Moseley 10
Frederick Moseley 6
Ethel Moseley 2
Lenourd Mewell 25
Frederick Emery 22
Harry Borry 31
Charles Wilson 36
Frank Trollop 38
Robert Burrell 36
James Burrows 26
Arthur M Bowler 53


But I still can't see anything on the 1911 census. If the death for Julius is correct in 1924 I wonder what the "P" stood for in his name???


Dee x

I have looked for Alice Clarke in 1911 but can't find her. She says she is 21 at marriage but this may not be totally correct. I can't even find a birth record for Alice Sophilia Moseley anywhere, as she not necessarily born London.

Thanks for your help.
Maybe on the 1911 census it might be under Alice Clarkes name and might give information on the children, just a thought.
Regards
jenny

I wonder if this is Julius's death??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Julius O P Clarke
Name: Julius O P Clarke
Death Registration Month/Year: 1924
Age at death (estimated): 38
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 662




Dee x

This isn't Williams marriage in 1918... this maybe a different one to you state but just incase;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Charles Clarke
Name: William Charles Clarke
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Eliza Harmer
Spouse Age: 43
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Nov 1918
Parish: St Saviour, Battersea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: William Clarke
Spouse Father Name: Henry John Friar


Bride and Groom are widow/ers.


Dee x

Hi Jennifer,

Here's his marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Julius Onslow Clarke
Name: Julius Onslow Clarke >> Occupation; COOPER
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Spouse Name: Alice Sophilia Moseley
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Aug 1907
Parish: Ascension, Balham Hill
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Harry John Clarke >> Occupation; Musician
Spouse Father Name: William Moseley


Address; 18 Cathers (???) road


Dee x

Have their mother who is a widow and with her younger children in 1901 and her own mother but not Julius or William

Very elusive!
found in 1891 as you have but no signs after that

Jennifer