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thank you to all who replied, ive now tracked william walter down through isleofman.comheritage. Doreen

You need to obtain the death cert to see who the next of kin/ informant is to be sure it's the right person.

hi, i think this must be just guess work on the census entry, i have come accross this a lot. Isabella was definitely a widow when she married my gr. grandad james mathers in 1885. and i have seen william gilmores burial record at whitehaven, that could even be wrong.

If the Isabella Gilmore (nee Tear) shown on the 1881 census is correct, she was born in Ireland.
Her husband on that census is 36 so can't be the William who died the following year aged 31.

Hi yea, thats all my family (my name is Mathers) I just cant find William (c1874) on any census, not in the uk anyway. I found a family of Gilmores on the isle of man, next door to a family of Tears (isabella gilmores maiden name)

If young William was born 1874 he possibly arrived before the wedding of his parents.
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Marriages Dec 1874

Gilmarore William Whitehaven 10b 1058
Tear Isabella Whitehaven 10b 1058

Hi, i came across his marriage in the local (workington cumbria) library. I already have my gr. grandmothers (isabella gilmore) family on my tree, but this looked as if she had a son i didnt know anything about. He gives my gr. grandmothers address in workington as his residence, his fathers name and occupation match as well. and one of his witnesses is margaret johnston, ( margaret jane gilmore married a johnston) He doesnt appear on any census with them.. in the uk any way. I have seen lots of gilmores in the isle of man, but havent found anything yet, even a family of Gilmores next door to a family of Tears, my gr. grandmothers maiden name??You can have access to my tree if it helps, Doreen

Is this father William
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WILLIAM GEORGE GILMOUR
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 MAR 1851 Braddan, Isle Of Man, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM GILMOUR
Mother: GERMAN

yes thats him, yes speling changes all the time

yes i know, keep getting mixed up, but the church records at the local library have william walter?? Have checked a few times , must be just a mix up.

how have you connected William Walter Gilmour to dad William , he doesnt show with that family .Do you have his marriage cert?

IS THIS HIS DAD IN 1861
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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GILMORE, Willim Head Married M 31 1830 Agricultural Labourer
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GILMORE, Ann Wife Married F 39 1822
England VIEW
GILMORE, Willim Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Kirk Braddon VIEW
GILMORE, Japheth Son Unmarried M 7 1854 Scholar
Kirk Braddon VIEW
GILMORE, Margret Daughter Unmarried F 5 1856 Scholar
Kirk Braddon VIEW
GILMORE, Emley Daughter Unmarried F 3 1858
Kirk Braddon VIEW
GILMORE, Alice Daughter Unmarried F 0 (3M) 1861
Kirk Braddon VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
4412 Folio:
49 Page:
11

Registration District:
Isle of Man Sub District:
Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Isle of Man

Civil Parish:
Braddon Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mount Rule, Braddon County:
Isle of Man
MADDIE

Father William died in 1882 aged 31.
Those found on 1881 census have ages over 30

1891 census Mum Isabella Gilmore has remarried stil no William?Walter though
Name: Mary Isabella Gilmore
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Workington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Workington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:41 Derwent street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub-registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Mathers 48 occ shoemaker
Isabella Mathers 40
Francis Mathers 1
Margaret Jane Gilmore 14
Mary Isabella Gilmore 10


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4305; Folio 50; Page 14; GSU roll: 6099415.

Name: Isabella Gilmore
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Whitehaven
County: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 943
James Mathers

heres dad but no Walter/William with them
1881 census

Name: William Gilmore
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil parish: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Hicks Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Gilmore 36
Isabella Gilmore 31
Margaret J. Gilmore 5
Annie Gilmore 3
Mary I. Gilmore



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5187; Folio: 12; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1342251.

He's not with his parents in 1881. Do you have his marriage cert?


1881 England Census
about William Gilmore
Name: William Gilmore
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil parish: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Hicks Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:


Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gilmore 36
Isabella Gilmore 31
Margaret J. Gilmore 5
Annie Gilmore 3
Mary I. Gilmore

Are you sure of his birth year as there's this birth in the same registration district as his marriage.

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Gilmore William Cockermouth 10b 590


Christine

Is this the father William Gilmore who dies aged 31 in 1882 ?
In which case he should be on 1881 census

Note the spelling.

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Deaths Sep 1882

Gilmour William 31 Whitehaven 10b 377

i am trying to find any information on william walter gilmore, born 1874 or 1875, in whitehaven cumberland i think. he married isabella margaret corlett in workington cumberland in 1904. his father was william gilmore from the isle of man, a miner, (c1851-1882) who died in whitehaven.