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I have traced my line (Baines) back to Thomas Baines my GT x 8 grandfather who married Mary Martin ( I am told) I am reasonably sure that my information back as far as Richard Baines c1682 (Thomas's son is correct) I have worked backwards Forget James it was a line I thought might give me info on the parents I am not lost ,but asking for help if you can I sorry if I have confused anyone.
Thank you Shirley

Well, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's hopelessly lost.

We all work *backwards*. We start with what we know: our parents. Then our grandparents, our great-grandparents, etc.

You "have" Mary Martin c1660. But what relation is she to you?? Others have passed on this information, but that means nothing to anyone else unless there are sources cited, and unless there is something to tie particular individuals to your tree.

Are you descended from one of the Richard, Robert, James children?

Unfortunately, as I explained, I find *no* marriage for a James Bain(e)s in Northamptonshire parish marriage records.

Hello,
I have Mary Martin c 1660 as the wife of Thomas Baines c1660 children are Richard x 2 Robert and James I was orginally looking for James's family son of Thomas hoping it would give me a lead.I have been passed all this info by others who have helped me.
I do look up info myself but im very slow and struggle to find the info.I have bought certs for some of my info but found I was spending alot of money so I have tried to manage without . I appreciate any help I can get.Shirley

Maybe if you answered my question -- where did you get the info that there was a marriage between Mary Martin and Thomas Bains? -- someone might be more motivated to try to help. It's a simple straightforward question.

I've told you that there is no such marriage in Northamptonshire parish records.

Oh, hold on ... you started out saying it was a marriage between Mary Martin and *James* Baines. Now you're saying Thomas. We still don't know where the name James came from, or why you've now lighted on Thomas ...

The Thomas Baines + Mary Martin record in the IGI claims to be extracted from parish records, but it just isn't in the transcribed parish records I have.

Hello, Im trying again If anyone can help with info on Mary Martin wife of Thomas Bains
Thankyou

My Mary Martin is c 1660 if that helps.
Shirley

Thank you for looking, if I went to the northampton office could I find out anymore? I have a friend who goes around the grave yards Unless you find a family grave how does that help?Thanks

Shirley, if you search in the IGI

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

using only

surname: BAINS
region: BRITISH ISLES
batch number: C151881

you'll get a list of Bain(e)s births in Paston about 1785-1912.

If you repeat the searchi using

father's name: JAMES

there are no results.

If you do another searching using only

father: JAMES BAINS
mother: MARY
British Isles, England, Northamptonshire
(no batch number)

there are also no results.

Finally, Shirley, I'm back.

There are 5 male Bains marriages in the Northamptonshire parish records.

otp = of this parish

Francis - otp, bachelor - Elizabeth Sweeby - otp, spinster - 1783 08-Jul - Harringworth
Robert - otp - Elizabeth Taylor - otp - 1768 21-Nov - Gretton
Robert - otp - Mary Leach - otp - 1782 12-Dec - Blatherwycke
Thomas - of Seton - Martha Pridmer - 1729 - 08-May - Harringworth
Will. - otp - Mary BILLIDGE - otp - 1738 03-Mar - Gretton

... one might think that Will was father of Robert ...

And now I realize I have no clue about what dates you are talking about. As in shirlock's post, there are lots of BAINES-s, and spelling of course was not a science at that time.

There's no James Bains or Baines, though. I only have marriages, not baptisms, so I can't check those births that appear in the IGI.

There is also no Richard Bain(e)s. There is a Robert Baines who married Mary Barley in 1741 in Duddington.

There are also no Bain(e)s marriages in Paston. In fact, there are no "B" marriages, at least, in Paston at all.

Hugh Wallis gives batch number M151881 for Paston marriages 1645-1662 and 1754-1835.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
IGIBatchNumbers/CountyNorthampton.htm#P

Unfortunately, your James born (?) c1685 would fall between those date ranges. But any marriage should be in the parish records I am looking at.

To give you an idea of the records: the "BA to BL" grooms list runs to not far off 8000 names.

Searching in the Paston batch in the IGI, there are four Bain(e)s marriages:

1. ALICE BAINS + Thomas Read
Marriage: 20 SEP 1791 Paston, Northampton, England
2. ALICE BAINS + Robert Blesset
Marriage: 07 OCT 1782 Paston, Northampton, England
3. WILLIAM BAINES + Jane Leaton
(I would not be surprised if this should be "Seaton" -- in fact, there are 3 Seaton marriages in Paston, in the IGI)
Marriage: 30 DEC 1756 Paston, Northampton, England
4. THOMAS BAINS + Hannah Fell
Marriage: 27 MAR 1789 Paston, Northampton, England

The Thomas Baines + Mary Martin marriage is not in the Northamptonshire parish records I have.

You need to give us an idea of dates.

You say: "Any info on Mary Martin and family or siblings"

but the thing is -- none of us really has secret stashes of information, or a magic wand! You could look in the IGI for a Mary Martin in Northamptonshire of about the right age to be that one, but my guess would be that there are a few.

... Yes, I have just looked up Mary Martin in the parish records and there were a good 3 dozen of them married in Northamptonshire pre-1837.

When you get back to that point and have common names, you are essentially at a permanent stop. Parents' names were not mentioned in marriage records, and not even mothers' given names were given in baptism records in most places once you get back into the 1700s.


Maybe you could say where you got the info that there was a James Bains with brothers Robert and Richard.

Thanks I think I need a bit of help I may have made a mistake on another line I found a tree cousin yesturday we share the same ancestors but bits of our tree have different families so I 'm checking my line back again.
Thanks again

I'm still up to my ears but I hadn't *quite* forgotten -- on the wknd, I promise!

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To Shirlock Thanku I didnt know who Thomas was married to, Any info on Mary Martin and family or siblings would be great I have got stuck with Thomas I can seem to get further back so any help is really good Thanks

To JaneyCanuck thankyou very much this is my directline and I have run dry..if you know what I mean Any info would be great. Thanks

Hello

This is off familysearch.org which is free to search.



Husband
Thomas Baines
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:

Wife


Children

1. Richard Baines
Male
Birth:
Christening: 12 MAR 1681 Paston, Northampton, England
Death: MAR 1681
Burial:

2. Richard Baines
Male
Birth:
Christening: 04 MAR 1682 Paston, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

3. James Baines
Male
Birth:
Christening: 13 OCT 1685 Paston, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

4. Robert Baines
Male

Birth:
Christening: 07 APR 1689 Paston, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:


Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.





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THOMAS BAINES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY MARTIN
Marriage: 05 FEB 1682 Thornhaugh, Northampton, England

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Shirley, I can't do it just at the moment, but I have pre-1837 Northamptonshire marriages and will be happy to take a look later today or tomorrow. That's probably about the only look anyone could take. ;)

Do you need the brothers too?

Can anyone have a look for me please

Can anyone help on info re James Bains from Paston Northamptonshire Looking for info on a wife or children please.
I have siblings Robert and Richard x 2 Thanks