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oooooo, trhanks very muchly duck

Means she wasnt working and had enough money to keep herself.

But I suspect that the children worked and helped her out.

As hubby had been a labourer then I wouldnt have thought she was very wealthy.

Hiya Fanny, with regards to the 1841 census:

Esther Warters 45<<Of independant means

What does of independant means, mean?

Name: Rosannah Sarah Waters
Spouse Name: Joseph Keintzle
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1851
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Waters
Spouse Father Name: John Keintzle

John Waters was a labourer,it also says that on Georges marriage cert..

Name: James Waters
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Spouse Name: Harriet Peters
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1845
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Waters<<<Dead
Spouse Father Name: Edward Peters

IVE GOT THEM ON 1841...YIPEeeee

Name: Esther Warters
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Assembly Row

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Esther Warters 45<<Of independant means.
Eliza Warters 20
James Warters 15
Charles Warters 10
George Warters 8
Joseph Warters 5

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Deaths Dec 1837
Waters John James St Pancras 1 295

Deaths Mar 1840
WATERS John William St Pancras 1 240

Deaths Dec 1840
WATERS John St Pancras 1 268

Name: John Waters
Spouse Name: Lether Graves
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1809
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden

Both of the Parish,but if born there is another matter of course.

Spinster and bachelor.

Both signed their names,so educated to a degree...

IF it is the correct death for Esther the cert may help?

Name: Esther Waters
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 224

Nothing that I could find Trevor,I did look last night but they were all too early for him as they were pre 1831 when he was still popping out the kids with Esther.

This on IGI is worth investigating.
www.familysearch.org

Birth:
28 MAR 1791
Christening:
15 MAY 1791 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOSEPH GRAVES
Family
Mother: JANE

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

One of the sons was called Joseph and a daughter Eliza Jane ?

Unfortunately there are too many John Waters offerings to make an educated guess without his birth place from census.

I also lived adjoining to Hammersmith cemetery in the early 90s,in fact I had to be careful digging in the garden as it had been claimed from the cemetery and bones would turn up at times and in the middle under the lawn was a gravestone !
That is Barons Court Tube station for that one.
Archway or Highgate Tube station for Highgate one.

Is there anything on her husband john waters?

Id love to one day, but i live in Nottingham, so next time im down london ill have to get one of me mates to show us around the big 7

I have been to very oldest part and it was very overgrown then.

But that was about 30 yrs ago.

It has been tidied up since.

It is well worth a visit if you can get there.

I have heard of highgate, one of the big 7 cemetarys in the city, luckly for me im a taphophile ( a person who enjoys walking around graveyards and photographing them)

This could be Esther??

Highgate is a lovely cemetery and of course some of the famous are buried there too..

Name: Esther Waters
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 26 Apr 1846
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Death Date: 26 Apr 1846
Parish: Highgate Cemetery of St James, Swains Lane, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Thanks for that fanny :

I cant find the parents on 1841/51 census though to try and find out where they were born, if they were still alive by then...

Name: James Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Jan 1823
Father's Name: John Waters<<labourer.
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St Pancras Old Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Born 12th Dec 1822

Address..Kentish Town.


Name: Joseph Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jun 1833
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: George Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Mar 1831
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St Pancras Old Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: Esther Amelia Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Feb 1831
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Name: Charles Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Aug 1826
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Baptist, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: Charles Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Aug 1826
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Baptist, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: John Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 May 1825
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Baptist, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: Eliza Jane Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Apr 1820
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Baptist, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: Rosannah Sarah Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Feb 1817
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St John the Baptist, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Name: John Waters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1815
Father's Name: John Waters
Mother's Name: Esther Waters
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

It would seem that one John dies and another named the same.

Not sure if they are all yours though.

Hiya Guys.

Lookins for infomation regarding John waters and Esther Graves. I would like to find there d/o/b's and places of birth but i have no idea.

All i now is they had a son : James Waters born c1823 in the st pancras/kentish town area of london and that John and Esther married in 1809 at At St Panras Old Church.

Any help appricaiated

James Peck