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I am looking for advice/ assistance with establishing the possible relation if any between Annie Wilcox and William and Mary Ann Willcox

Annie Wilcox was born approx 1862, apparently Fulham according to cenus -no birth record found. She married on 26/05/1879 at St Pauls, Hammersmith to Henry Machell. On marriage certificate she lists her Father as John Wilcox a Wheelwright -I have never found him. It also lists her address as 2 Britannia Court, and the Hammersmith rate book lists Mary Ann Willcox (widow) as the occupier of 2 Britannia Court in 1881 and her husband William Willcox is listed in 1871 Cenus living here with wife and family.

I am left trying to work out what relationship Annie Wilcox had to Mary Ann and William Willcox with whom she and her future husband were living with at the time of the marriage?

One thing that is puzzling me is that I can not find William and Mary Ann Willcox before 1871 cenus -even though married 1851 and had children in 1852, 1855 and 1857 in Hammersmith, but then not again until 1863, 1866 and 1868 Any suggestions greatly received.

Thanks

Having troubling adding -so editing with extra info -yes witnesses Eliza Wilcox and William Reid.

Have birth certificate of Ann Maria Wilcox and her Father is James George Willcox -different still!!

ANNIE -DIED 27/11/1949 AGE 87 YEARS OLD REGISTERED BY DAUGHTER.


WHAT IS GOING ON IT WILL NOT LET ME ADD OR REPLY!! SO FRUSTRATRING- thank you Jan for trying -not had baptism look ups I am told there were 7 churches in Fulham and Hammersmith in existance around that time, but unfortunately not been able to travel to London to do the research in local archive Joanna

Just in case:

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
WILCOX Ann Maria Kensington 1a 152

Do you have witnesses names? By the way, the same address for Annie and her husband doesn't mean they were both living there. People often put this, made it simpler re. marriage banns.

Jan

Spotted your edit somehow! Ancestry playing up so having a job to check stuff.
Has anyone tried a baptism lookup for you?
jan

A maybe ?? But I will have a look on Ancestry when we can get into it

ANNIE AMSTEAD WILLCOX Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 JUL 1858

Christening: 08 AUG 1858 Saint Peter, Saint Pancras, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN SMITH WILLCOX Family
Mother: MARY ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

St Pauls church is right by Hammersmith flyover

Re Barbara's info, this is that family 1861:

1861 census transcription details for: 37, Sidmouth Street, St Pancras
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 106 Folio: 63 Page: 57

Reg. District: Pancras Sub District: 3 Gray's Inn Lane
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Regent Square Church City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 37, Sidmouth Street, St Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WILLCOX, John S Head Married M 31 1830 Iron Monger
St Pancras
Middlesex
WILLCOX, Mary A Wife Married F 23 1838
Eton
Buckinghamshire
WILLCOX, Anne Daughter F 2 1859
St Pancras
Middlesex
WILLCOX, Harry Son M 1 1860
St Pancras
Middlesex
WILLCOX, Kate Daughter F 0 (1M) 1861
St Pancras
Middlesex
ATKINSON, Martha Servant Widow F 61 1800 Monthly Nurse
Scotland
AYTON, Caroline Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 General Servant
Kingsland
Middlesex

Not Annie I know and spelling different but this father "John" is a Wheelwright.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Ann Willcock
Name: Mary Ann Willcock
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Nov 1865
Father's Name: John Willcock
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Willcock
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

address 7 Pages Walk

And again her Baptism record from Ancestry

Name: Annie Amelia Willcox
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Aug 1858
Father's Name: John Smith Willcox (Ironmonger)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Willcox
Parish: St Peter, Regent Square, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Date of birth 13th July 1858
Address 38 Sidmouth Street

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So maybe the wrong one --Ancestry still playing up though and not all records showing

Best wishes
Barbara

1911 Henry Machell gas stoker
Annie 1862 Fulham as on 1881/91/1901 census as place of birth.
Fred
Frank
William
Amelia
30,Imperial CottagesFulham.

Ancestry showing a baptism for a Mary Ann to William and Mary,but can't check dates.

And this Mary Ann 1862 Lambeth A/M/J 1d 356.

Maryb

I can't seem to find William and Mary with Annie on 1871 census,can you give me a clue.

Edit tree on ancestry says Annie Amelia mentioned above died in Australia.

Finally able to reply -I was not being rude -just would not let me -reported to customer services and now working.

Thank you Jan, Barbara, Julie, Moody Blue and Mary for all the suggestions.

Ann Maria Wilcox is defintely ruled out.

Ok I dont have Annie living with William and Mary Ann Willcox in 1871 cenus or 1881 cenus. But Mary Ann and William lived at 2 Britannia Court, Hammersmith on both cenuses -it was this address which was given as residence of both Annie Wilcox and Henry Machell in 1879 when they got married. But I can not find William and wife Mary Ann in 1861 cenus, why is this?

Had not given thought that Annie could be Mary Ann Wilcox -but definitely possibly.

Was thinking that perhaps William was Annie's Uncle -and if could find William then may be their would be a brother John, but can not find him further back then 1871 cenus.

Thanks everyone for assistance and patience

Joanna

William and Mary Ann Willcox 1871 cenus for reference

WILCOX, William Head M 45 1826 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Mary A Wife F 41 1830 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Matthew S Son M 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Sarah Daughter F 16 1855 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Lucy Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Emily M Daughter F 7 1864 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Mary A Daughter F 5 1866 Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Josephine Daughter F 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
HARDING, Gertrude Visitor F 12 1859 Devon VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
60 Folio:
53 Page:
42

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
St Paul Hammersmith Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Hammersmith Municipal Borough:
Address:
Britannia Court, Hammersmith County:
London, Middlesex

1881 cenus for reference

WILCOX, Mary A Head Widow F 51 1830 Monthly Nurse
Chiswick
Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Mary A Daughter Single F 15 1866 Domestic Servant
Hammersmith
Middlesex VIEW
WILCOX, Josephine Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Hammersmith
Middlesex VIEW
EATON, Samuel Father Married M 84 1797 Carpenter & Joiner
Woodford
Northamptonshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
54 Folio:
27 Page:
48

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
St Paul Hammersmith Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Hammersmith Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Britannia Court, Hammersmith County:
Middlesex


Can you help me find this couple in 1861 and William Willcox in 1851 and 1841 cenus -thanks

Joanna

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about William Wilcox
Name: William Wilcox
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 76
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 174



1841 England Census
about William Wilcox
Name: William Wilcox
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Chelsea South
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wilcox 40
Sarah Wilcox 32
William Wilcox 15

Just wondering...........................................


1851 England Census
about William Willcocks
Name: William Willcocks
[Willaim Willcocks]
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Clements, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Covent Garden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members:
Name Age
William Willcocks 46
Mary Ann Willcocks 44
>>>>>>>William Willcocks 26
Mary Ann Willcocks 22
>>>>>>>>>John Willcocks 16

Moody Blue

Mary Ann Willcox is a widower in 1881 cenus -so William died between 1871 and 1881 cenus -so dont think death is right

But 1841 cenus is looking promising -but no John Wilcox with him!!

Thanks

Joanna

Moody Blue

Just seen last post and that defintely looks interesting -will look at this is more depth defintely


Joanna

Going to bed will check in tomorrow

Thanks for all the hard work

Joanna

this must be the correct one?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about William Willcox
Name: William Willcox
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 50
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 158

1871 9,Palm St ?
Bethnal green d8a 43
John Wilcox WHEELRIGHT born marylebone 1832
Mary Ann net maker Walthamstow 1838
James J Bethnal green 1870.

Is this the one who baptised Mary Ann in 1865, they probably called her Annie to stop confusion between her mum having same name.

Maryb
1881 D 8 33 Bethnal green 37,Jolly St
John wheelright born Somerset 1832
Mary Ann Walthemstow 1836
James John 1870
Alfred 1874
Maria Unity Wilcox 1876

Moody Blue

Yeah I believe that to be the correct death record.


Maryb

That looks great -but how on earth would I be able to prove that it was the correct family -as she is not living with them in 1871 or 1881 cenus. Makes sense about Annie -but again it is just an assumption. Will ponder this

Thanks

Joanna