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I am trying to find out where my great grandparents came from. I know my great grandparents, Patrick Mcmanus and Catherine Moran were married in Macclesfield in 1846 St Albans Chapel and that Catherine was living with her parents at that time in Denby Street. Patrick was not iving with his parents. In 1851 I have found them in the census as man and wife living in Denby Street with her family.

I cannot find them in the 1841 census. I am assuming they came over from Ireland just before the marriage as I know they are shown as Irish, but where from? Any ideas anyone? Patricks's father is shown as Michael McManus a labourer on the marriage cert. Catherin's parents were John, a labourer and Margaret. Any help appreciated.

Peter

Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family
Liz

1851 For Ref.
Name: Patrick McMorris
[Patrick McManus]
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Macclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Macclesfield
Town: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Moran 56
Margaret Moran 53
Margaret Moran 16
Hannah Moran 14
John Moran 12
Patrick McMorris 27
Catherine McMorris 22
Michael Moran 19
Bridget Moran 22
Michael York 31
Margaret York 27
Michael Flanery 24
Michael Sulivan 14


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Name: Patrick Mc Manus
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sligo, Ireland

Civil parish: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 54 Derby St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

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Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
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Household Members: Name Age
John Welch 55 c1826 Mayo?
Margeret Welch 50 c1831 Sligo
Michael Welch 24
Patrick Mc Manus 55


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Margaret McManus 1850 Macclesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
John Welsh 1850 Macclesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire

Name: John Welsh
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Macclesfield
County: Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume: 19
Page: 151 (click to see others on page)

We seem to be duplicating another thread here:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1198525

Name: Michael McManis
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Catherine
Where born: Burslem, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Burslem
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Wolstanton

Patrick McManis 41
Catherine McManis 40
John McManis 20
Terence McManis 16
Margaret McManis 14
Michael McManis 12
Catherine McManis 9
Mary Ann McManis 4
Bedilia McManis 9 months


Peter, it is always best to keep inquiries about closely related people in a single thread so the known info is available and people don't duplicate effort.


Note: I just checked that 1871 census record, and in February 2010 the surname was corrected to McManus. Have you seen that, and do you know the person who made the correction?

Hi yes I have seen the 1871 census as McManis and no I do not know who has changed it.

I am sorry if I am causing confusion to everyone. I tried to tell you all in my thread that I know what happened to the family after the 1851 census - thanks to help on my last thread and also managing to contact people through GR we have a pretty complete picture about them (see my success story comments). The Wainwrights were my last thread and Michael McManus was my grandmother's older brother, her name being Bidelia McManus, daughter of Catherine and Patrick.
The problem we have is the Irish connection, but looking above I see Sligo is mentioned and I know he seemed to disappear at one point and then reappear again, so will look at my records to see if it was in the 1881 census I could not find him in Burslem and see if it is him in macc at that time.

Once again, thank you all for your help and I will let youknow if he is the one in Macc or not!

With regards to using just a single thread, do I just add to my old thread and you will pick it up?

Peter

"Hi yes I have seen the 1871 census as McManis and no I do not know who has changed it."

My question wasn't quite that literal. The idea is: you can contact that person via the Ancestry system. The person is not necessarily related (may have found the error while looking for someone else), but there's a good chance they are. And they may have useful info about the family.

"With regards to using just a single thread, do I just add to my old thread and you will pick it up?"

Adding to a thread bumps it to the top of the TTF board generally, but also alerts anyone who has already posted in it that there is a new message in the thread.

That's what the "My threads" link on the left of your screen is for -- to find all your threads, and specifically to see whether anything has been added, since adding a post bumps a thread to the top of that list as well.

It's therefore to your advantage to do that, since anyone who has previously worked on the family will see the new message. And it's to everyone else's benefit, since people then don't spend time reinventing the wheel.


To add -- that could be Patrick on his own in Cheshire in 1881; this is the rest of the family:

Name: Catherine Mc Mann
[Catherine McManus]
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Where born: Ireland
Occupation: Housekeeper (Dom)
Condition as to marriage: Married

Civil parish: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire
Street Address: 11 Hanover St
Registration district: Wolstanton

Catherine Mc Mann 49
Terance Mc Mann 26
Catherine Mc Mann 19
Mary A. Mc Mann 13
Bridgett Mc Mann 10
Margaret A. Mc Mann


And note that the same Ancestry user has corrected that name, on the same date in February 2010. All correction notes say only: "Correction due to an error in transcription." But it certainly seems that this person has been tracking down your McManus-s for a reason.

So was the 1881 Census giving Patrick McManus home town on the first thread ?

Ellen

Hi I have a 1911 Irish Census with the daughter stating her father just as a lodger.So yours would not be the first. Sister

Ellen

McManus rather than Mc Mann
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by stephenbloor1984 on 14/

Ellen, I have noted those corrections -- "Correction due to an error in transcription." -- in both those census households.

I prefer not to post people's names here, even though they do use them at Ancestry.

It was the 1871 census I added above that was in the other thread, and at the time it was posted there the correction at Ancestry had not been made, I think.

Hi thanks all of you. Just tried to reply but lost connection so don't think it went.

I know Stephen Bloor and have sent the Sligo connection to him, and he seems to think it has narrowed down his Patrick options to 4 - I will let you know the outcome.

Yes that is Catherine in Burslem thanks.

Who was Patrick with in 1911 - or was it his father living back in Ireland - too old I would have thought!

Thanks all of you

Peter

Hi ,IF you got Margaret McManus marriage certificate ,will show her father .

Name: John Welsh /Margaret McManus
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Macclesfield
County: Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume: 19
Page: 151 (click to see others on page)


Ellen

Hi Ellen

You might have to help me out here! We have Patrick McManu's certificate marrying Catherine Moran in 1846 St Alben Chapel Macc, shows Patrick's father as Michael McManus a Labourer, and John Moran, Labourer as Catherine's father!!!

Where does John Welch, father of Margaret McManus come from. I thought she married a Welch not had a father called Welch - am I being really dim here? The Margaret Welch (Mcmanus b 1830 Sligo) showed previously seemed to be the wife of John Welch born 1826 Mayo - so how come the marriage lines show John Welch being her father!!! Unles of course she married a cousin born in Mayo and it was her mothe's name of Mcmanus given to all the children - seems unlikely I would have thought.

Any thoughts?

Peter

Hi Peter Sorry if you never understood what i was sayng.In other words if you got Margaret McManus and John Welsh's marriage ceretificate ,it will show if her Father is Michael MacManus. Therefore the Patrick McManus boarding with her in the 1881 Census is her brother.Details given in thread for marriage certificate

Ellen

Hi said I was being dim didn't i. We are now convinced that Margaret is most likely Patrick's sister. The logic of Margaret and Patrick being brother and sister apart form the 1881 census is that Patrick's first son is called michael named after his father and also because that michael dies there is a replacement michael. And then that Margaret's second Son is called Michael after her father.


There are two Roman Catholic parishes that have Patrick and Margaret McManus' born at the right time in Sligo however, the fathers are not Michael If you can say where Patrick was living in Ireland in the 1911 Irish census that might help us.

I'm still very confused by the suggestion that Patrick or his Father were still alive in 1911.. Just so you know I've looked at Margaret and John Welch, their surname changes almost at every census, from Welch 1881, Walsh 1871 and 1861, one of their sons Michael or John who is a Cab Driver in 1891 has the surname on the census as Walsa. So I'm very confused as to what the spelling actually is.



Thanks

Peter

Yes i'd say Margaret and Patrick(1881 Census ) were siblings.

Ellen

When you mention 1911 Irish Census .Is it my thread your refering too.It was not from your tree,but mine,and was to show that relation of a person to head of household is not always clear. 1881 Census was written by the enumerator and not someone in the household.Have you thought of Poor Relief Records?

Ellen

No I hadn't, but thanks, it might just help

Peter