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I am trying to find a George Martin and Mary Ann Martin marriage details. Could someone please see if they are on the 1911 census. I am trying to establish how long they were married.
George Martin born 1844 - Yalding, kent
Mary Ann Martin (formerly Drummond) born 1849, Bermondsey, London
They would be living in London.

Lynn

Could you be a little more specific / provide some more info to help narrow it down

Have you found them on previous census if so were where they living & what was the census reference
What was Georges occupation
London - is a big place can you be more specific

Thanks
MB

Unfortunately this could be her
1911 census transcription details for: Romford Union Workhouse And Infirmary, ROMFORD UNION WORKHOUSE AND INFIRMARY

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN9848 RD191 SD1 ED24 SN9999


Reg. District: Romford Sub District: Romford
Parish: Romford Enum. District: 24

Address: 1 Oldchurch Road Romford
County: Essex


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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MARTIN, Mary Ann Patient Married F 63 1848 Surry Bermondsey

I'll look for her husband

actually don't think it is her as there is a Frederick James Martin on next line to her

I have them on a 1881 census living at 13 Smith gardens, bermondsey, I cannot find them on a 1991 or 1911 but I do know that they were living at 13 smiths gardens, Bermondsey in 1881 as I have their son stephens birth certificate, he is not listed on the census as he was born before the census was take.

For info
1881 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Mary
Address: 13, Smiths Gardens, Bermondsey

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MARTIN, Geo Head Married M 37 1844 Labourer Yalding Kent
MARTIN, Mary Wife Married F 32 1849 Bermondsey Surrey
MARTIN, Elen Daughter Single F 7 1874 Yalding Kent
MARTIN, Mary Daughter Single F 4 1877 Yalding Surrey
MARTIN, Hannah Daughter Single F 2 1879 Yalding Kent
MARTIN, George Son Single M 1 1880 Yalding Kent

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
560 Folio:
18 Page:
31

Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Leather Market
EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish: Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:13, Smiths Gardens, Bermondsey
County: Surrey

Is this Ellen ?
1891 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Ellen
Address: 4, Swan Mead, Bermondsey
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HARRIS, Joseph Head Married M 40 1851 Ship Yard Labourer Bermondsey London
HARRIS, Hannah Wife Married F 42 1849 Laundress Bermondsey London
MARTIN, Ellen Niece Single F 17 1874 Collar Ironer Paddock Wood Kent

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RG number: RG12
Piece: 371
Folio: 107
Page: 16

Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Leather Market
EnumerationDistrict: 13
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary Magdalen

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Swan Mead, Bermondsey County:
London

1891 - What do you think?

1891 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Stephen
Address: 10, Spencer Street, St George In The East

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MARTIN, George Head Married M 40 1851 Glue And Soye Merchants Man
Bermondsey London
MARTIN, M A Wife Married F 39 1852 Machinist Rotherhithe London
MARTIN, Stephen Son Single M 12 1879 Bermondsey London
MARTIN, Sarah A Daughter Single F 10 1881 Rotherhithe London

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RG number: RG12
Piece: 287
Folio: 95
Page: 2

Registration District: St George in the East
Sub District:St George North
EnumerationDistrict: 23
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary

Civil Parish: St George in the East
Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Spencer Street, St George In The East
County:London


>>>>>> Edit
I don't think so the YoBs are out by too much

Is this Stephen's marriage?
Name: Laura Gardiner
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Spouse Name: Stephen Martin
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Apr 1905
Parish: St Anne, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Gardiner Occ:Tanner
Spouse Father Name: George Martin dec'd Occ:Labourer

Maureen

Yes, this is correct I have his marraige and birth certificates, he is my great grandfather but i am having terrible trouble with his mother and father as you can see.
the biggest problem I have is there marraige details, as I know from Stephens birth certicate and Hannah's his sister that his mother's maiden name was Drummond, but I cannot find a marriage between george Martin or Mary Ann Drummond, I can find a Mary Ann Drummey marring a George Martin but having both birth certs it does not make sense, hence the reason for the 1911 census to see if they are still living and if it was recorded their time married!

Yes,I do see how hard they are to spot. George is obviously deceased by 1911,though.

Maureen

i only received Hannah certificate today and was hoping that it would say her mother's maiden name was Drummey, would have made my research so much easier!!, I am not really getting anywhere with this side of the family and I do appreciate all the help I get!

Lynn

On the marriage register for George & Mary Ann Drummey.
It says that Georges father was Alfred Martin.
have you traced George back 1871 census and before to see if Georges father was Alfred and perhaps the Drummeys became the Drummonds.

I have a case in my own tree where the Warrens became the Warreners.

MB

I am not sure, but if it does mean 16 years married then it cannot be her as her first born was in 1874 and Hannah's was born in 1878 and it states the mothers maiden name as drummond so she would have been married! I looking for a time of marriage for at least 35 years or more!

yes - this is the one I found which has caused all the confusion, I though it was a typo but on the original cert for george and Mary Ann her father is stated as Nicholas Drummey the signatures are sighned as Drummey!! but the date would be about right and the area at time of marriage is bermondsey, again about right!! so not sure about this marriage!!

Another thing is that I have just looked at George's signature on that marriage certificate and he as signed it. On Stephens Birth certificate his father George has marked it as a cross as the mark of George Martin. So that means he could not write!! very confusing!

Nicholas was a Labourer and mary and george were living in Bermondsey, no actual address!

On Stephens birth cert it states general labourer and on georges marriage cert is states labourer and on Stephens marriage cert is states george's occupation as labourer.

this is correct - I do have a copy of this census for 1911, its mary I cannot find, maybe she is deceased! I still cannot find them on a 1901 census!