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Hi Ginny x David x Londonbelle
I think I've made a big boo-boo.
Thank you for putting me on the right track.
Regards,
Ann.

Hi Ann

So that is your tree. There is no other public tree showing?

I'm now very confused as to where you have got her name from. Is it family 'hear say'?

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Hi Ginny,
No that was me playing about 20mins ago to see if I could throw up any hints. I'm Ann Edwards.
Ann

Ann

The tree on Ancestry has the name 'McCulluch' on the facing page but when you go into the tree is has the name;


Elizabeth Chadwick
b1865
Oxton, Cheshire, England

Spouse & Children
John Cottrell 1863 – 1937 John Cottrell 1888 – Thomas Cottrell 1889 – Edith Cottrell 1891 – Alfred Cottrell 1892 – 1961 Rhoda Maud Cottrell 1895 – 1955 Joseph Cottrell 1896 – Miriam Cottrell 1900 –



Also the tree owner is Ann Edwards...is this the tree you mention or is it your tree?


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1881 England Census
about Henry Swannack
Name: Henry Swannack
[Henry Swannick]
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Chirk, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 27 Vulcan Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer In Iron Yard

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 33a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Swannack 38
Ann Swannack 35
William Swannack 14
John Swannack 10
Alfred Swannack 8
Annie Swannack 6
Thomas Swannack 5
George Swannack 3
Mary Swannack 1

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On second thoughts, I think Londonbelle is correct. Possible for 1881:


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Swannick
Name: Elizabeth Swannick
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Vulcan Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 33a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Swift 39
Ann Swift 35
Elizabeth Swift 8
Margaret Swift 3
Thomas Swift
Elizabeth Swannick 15

1881 census?.... image looks like Swanwick

Name: Elizabeth Swannick
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Vulcan Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 33a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Swift 39
Ann Swift 35
Elizabeth Swift 8
Margaret Swift 3
Thomas Swift
Elizabeth Swannick 15

I don't think it is Elizabeth Swanwick. I looked on 1881 and there were none born 1865 +/- 1 in Cheshire. Unfortunately, Jones seems the most likely option. There are several possibles. This one seems more likely?


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Jones
Name: Elizabeth Jones
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 98 Elias St House
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Jones 49
Anne Jones 44
Mary C. Jones 20
Elizabeth Jones 16
Sarah Jones 8
Anne Jones 4

Ann

1837 saw the 'legal' requirement to register births in England and Wales. It was not until 1st July 1875 that penalties came into force for not registering

If the surname is correct, it could be that she was born in Scotland or even Ireland, in which case she will not be found on FreeBMD/Ancestry or FMP

Maybe someone who has subs to another site such as Scotlands People may be able to help

Edit; I now know that you can't have a sub to SP and it's pay per view....so you would have to pay to find this info



Edit; I see you changed your post David, makes me look like I was repeating info.

You first posted 1873 as the 'legal' registration requirment for births in Eng/Wales and of course it was not

The norm when you change your post is to either add 'Edit' or post again...just to stop confusion or make people look like 'numpties'!


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Yes, I'm wondering whether that might be the case

I've found this marriage
Marriages Dec 1886
COTTRELL John Birkenhead 8a 723
HUGHES James Birkenhead 8a 723
JONES Elizabeth Birkenhead 8a 723
Swanwick Elizabeth Birkenhead 8a 723

The district Birkenhead is an alternative name for Birkenhead and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Cheshire and Merseyside.

Also Oxton the place given for Elizabeth's birth in 1891 census is also in this registration district.

So perhaps she was either Elizabeth Jones or Elizabeth Swanwick ?

1871 census for Elizabeth Swanwick......just a thought?

Name: Elizabeth Swanwick
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Swanwick 30
Anne Swanwick 26
Elizabeth Swanwick 6
William Swanwick 4
Mary Swanwick 2
John Swanwick 1 month
George Bennett 17

Hi David x Londonbelle,
Thanks for your help, perhaps I have got the surname wrong.
Regards,
Ann.

Hi Londonbelle,
I got her name from a tree that shares the same family as mine on ancestry.
Ann

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John Cottrell
Name: John Cottrell
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Congleton
County: Cheshire, Staffordshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 422 (click to see others on page)
Spouse: Eliza Chadwick/Elizabeth Morris

How do you know her surname was McCulloch?

Unfortunately punishment for not registering births was not brought in until 1875, so it may be that she just was not registered. However, that does not explain why there is not record of her on 1881 or 1871. Maybe others will have more luck.

I searched for Eliz* McCu* 1864-1866.

Hi David,
It does sound like her,
Thank you, I have just to find record of her birth.
Regards,
Ann.

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Cottrell
Name: Elizabeth Cottrell
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Willaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Willaston
Town: Willaston
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Neston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cottrell 28
Elizabeth Cottrell 26
John Cottrell 3
Thomas Henry Cottrell 2
Edith Cottrell 3/12

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Is this her?


1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Cottrell
Name: Elizabeth Cottrell
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Willaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Willaston Christchurch
Town: Willaston
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Neston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cottrell 38
Elizabeth Cottrell 36
John Cottrell 13
Thomas Henry Cottrell 12
Edith Cottrell 10
Alfred Cottrell 9
Rhoda Cottrell 7
Joseph Cottrell 5
Miriam Cottrell 1

p.s. Elizabeth McCulloch was born c 1865.
Ann.

Hi fellow hunters,
I'm trying to find the birth of Elizabeth McCulloch and possibly the names of her parents.
The only info I have on her is that she married John Cottrell c1862 in 1887ish in Neston Cheshire.
Regards,
Ann.