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James leader or Lader was born July 1847 in Wroughton Wiltshire but can I find his birth record , NO. I have tried every which way. The first piece of evidence I have on him was on his military records (enlistment)of May 1867. He enlisted under the surname Lader, married under the surname Lader, but his 11 children were registered under the surname Leader, including my grandad George.
WAS HE BORN UNDER THE NAME LADER OR LEADER or indeed another Variant? I would really like to crack this one as it is taking up all my energies Any suggestions ?Are there any Leaders out there?
Hazel

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons...... there is this birth

Births Dec 1847
LOADER James Wokingham 6 248

Assume this is him?

1901 England Census

Name: James Leader
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Wroughton, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Elson
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke

James Leader 53
Emma Leader 45
George A Leader 19
Rose M Leader 19
Eleanor E Leader 15
Leonard J Leader 13
Elizabeth Leader 12
Henry T Leader 10
Alfred Leader 8
Kate Leader 6
Emma Leader 2

Did he marry twice?

1881 England Census

Name: James Lader
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Broughton, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Walmer
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: "Cavalry Barracks" Walmer Kent
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Private R M L I

Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
ED, institution, or vessel: Cavalry Barracks

James Lader 32
Martha Lader 24
William J. Lader 1

That is one and the same person. James married Emma Martha Moore, I have their marriage certificate. Their first son was William James, The census surname changes between Lader and Leader
1881 census LADER
1891 census LEADER, Emma , Wife down, but presume James was away serving.
1901 census LEADER, James and Emma and granddad george.
1911 census LADER, Emma now deceased, but my aunt Elizabeth down as LADER I know this to be wrong!!

Hazel, you haven't commented on Londonbelle's suggestion.
Jan

I will follow this up, , Loader is a possibility, although James always said he came from Wiltshire and there are LEADERS fron that area, but anything is possible. I have recently requested a death certificate on what I believe to be his. Thank you

Wokingham is in Wiltshire I think - or bordering on it anyway..
Jan

No penalty until 1875 for NOT registering births - may simply not have been registered

Thank you for that information, it is very helpful and could make sense as to why I cannot find him!! I would like to know if he had any siblings though.
hazel

Was his father named on the marriage cert?

1881 for reference only

Name: James Lader
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Broughton, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Walmer
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: "Cavalry Barracks" Walmer Kent
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Private R M L I

Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
ED, institution, or vessel: Cavalry Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Lader 32
Martha Lader 24
William J. Lader 1

Yes,
John Lader, but how do I follow this up?.

1871?

Name: James Laden
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Private
Gender: Male
Where born: Wroughton, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Royal Navy
Town: Spithead
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Hercules

1913 - three divisions of RMLI - Chatham, Portsmouth, Plymouth. All RMLI recruits were sent to Depot at Walmer, Kent for training before being posted to ...........

Found by googling RMLI

James Lader was in the Marines His wife indeed did come fro Hampshire, Gosport. His son William was born in Forton Barracks. I will look for him under LADEN. Thanks

Thanks, I am learning all the time, it is keeping me busy.