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mother of patrick welsh

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honora

honora Report 2 Aug 2012 18:57

WITH REGARDS TO THE FORTUNE FAMILY, NICHOLAS FORTUNE MARRIED AN HONORA COUGHLIN, EMIGRATED TO PENNSILVANNIA, WHERE NICHOLAS DIED, HONORA RETURNED WITH INFANT SON ALSO CALLED NICHOLAS, SHE REMARRIED A PATRICK WELSH, AND HAD ANOTHER FAMILY, NICHOLAS THE SON MARRIED A SARAH, AND THEIR ELDEST CHILD WAS NAMED HONORA AFTER HER GRANDMOTHER, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT, DIANE

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Jun 2012 14:49

Perhaps the poster could tell us how he knows that Patrick Welch's mother was Kitty Wring.

Still with the Fortunes ...

Strange that Nicholas and Sarah gave their daughter the same name as his first wife (virtually) !

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jun 2012 08:06

Think th is the marriage from Mike*
1911
FORTUNE, Nicholas Head M 23 1888 Collier Hewer Pontlottyn Glam
FORTUNE, Sarah Ann Wife Married2 years F 24 1887 Pontlottyn Glam
FORTUNE, Norah Daughter Single F 2 1909 Pontlottyn Glam

RG number: RG14 Piece: 32403 Reference: RG14PN32403 RG78PN1854 RD590 SD1 ED2 SN281

Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub District: Gelligaer Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Gelligaer

Address: 9 Bridge St Pontlottyn County: Glamorganshire


But we are meant to be trying to find kitty or kathrine ring/wring, so I suggest you alter your heading to include Ireland, and get the 1911 marriage certificate for more details about him.

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Jun 2012 06:57

Ah,....... this may be the ex husband re-marrying


Marriages Dec 1908 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BEVAN Elizabeth Bedwellty 11a 209
****FORTUNE Nicholas - Bedwelty 11a 209
LEGGE Sarah Ann Bedwellty 11a 209
WILLIAMS Llewellyn Lewis Bedwellty 11a 209

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Jun 2012 06:55

Marriages Dec 1883 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

COUGHLEN Honorah Bedwelty 11a 168
COUGHLIN Honorah Bedwelty 11a 168
FORTUNE Nicholas Bedwelty 11a 168
GRIFFITHS Olive Bedwelty 11a 168
ROGERS Saul Bedwelty 11a 168



Was her first husband a lot older than her ?
or could it be her father in law


Deaths Mar 1906
Fortune Nicholas - 72 - Pembroke 11a 729

Mike *

Mike * Report 9 Jun 2012 06:50

If this is the marriage there was a bit of fibbing going on !

Marriages Sep 1911 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*******Fortune Hanorah - Merthyr T. 11a 1358
Hurley Elizabeth M Merthyr T. 11a 1358
Jenkins John M Merthyr Tydfil 11a 1358
*******Walsh Patrick - Merthyr T. 11a 1358


Check out the certificate for father's name

patchem

patchem Report 8 Jun 2012 23:27

Also:
1901 Wales Census
Patrick Welsh
Age in 1901: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Norah Welsh
Gender: Male Where born: Cork, Ireland
civil parish: Gelligaer Ecclesiastical parish: Pontlottyn St Tyfaelog Town: Brithdir County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 160 Piece: 5021 Folio: 48 Page Number: 24
Patrick Welsh 40
Norah Welsh 34
Nicholas Welsh 14 Pontlottyn, Glamorgan, Wales
Edward Welsh 3
Hannah Welsh 2
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5021; Folio: 48; Page: 24.

Who was Nicholas's Mother?
Is he Nicholas Fortune?

patchem

patchem Report 8 Jun 2012 23:20

Also, for ref:
1891 Wales Census
Honora Fortune [Honora Coughlin] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jeremiah Coughlin
Mother's name: Mary Coughlin
Gender: Female Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Gelligaer Ecclesiastical parish: Pontlottyn
Town: Pontlottyn County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Piece: 4431 Folio: 42 Page Number: 16
Jeremiah Coughlin 61
Mary Coughlin 65
Honora Fortune 25
Nicholas Fortune 3
Hanora Fortune 7
Mary Fortune 1
Thomas Baker 40
Thomas Woods 42
Martin King 20
Mike Neill 22
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4431; Folio: 42; Page: 16; GSU roll: 6099541.

patchem

patchem Report 8 Jun 2012 23:15

Is this the family in 1911?
WELSH, Patrick Head Married M 50 1861 Stoker Surface Cork Ireland
WELSH, Nora Wife Married16 years F 44 1867 Glamorgan Pontlottyn
WELSH, Edward Son M 13 1898 Glamorgan Pontlottyn
WELSH, Hannah Daughter F 12 1899 Glamorgan Pontlottyn
WELSH, Kathleen Daughter F 9 1902 Glamorgan Pontlottyn
WELSH, Frederick Son M 1 1910 Glamorgan Pontlottyn
BOWDEN, William Boarder Single M 25 1886 Collier Hewer Brecon
BOWDEN, George Boarder Widower M 48 1863 Collier Hewer Brecon

RG number: RG14 Piece: 32403
Reference: RG14PN32403 RG78PN1854 RD590 SD1 ED2 SN141
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub District: Gelligaer Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Gelligaer
Address: 8 King St Pontlottyn County: Glamorganshire

But I cannot see the marriage on free bmd.

honora

honora Report 8 Jun 2012 19:13

PATRICK WELSH MARRIED AN HONORA FORTUNE NEE COUGHLIN IN SOUTH WALES IN 1895, HE WAS STATIONED WITH THE IRISH/BRITISH ARMY IN INDIA,AT THE KYBER PASS IN THE 1880'S. HE WAS BORN IN CORK,IRELAND IN ABOUT 1860, HIS MOTHER WAS A KITTY OR KATHERINE WRING/RING ALSO BORN IN CORK,SORRY THE INFO IS SKETCHY, ANY HELP WOULD BE APPREICATED.

Irish Gel

Irish Gel Report 29 Mar 2010 19:59

which Army? and when?

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2010 19:28

You need to give a few dates just so people can get started.
Thanks

honora

honora Report 29 Mar 2010 18:52

trying to find any information about a kitty or kathrine ring/wring who was the mother of patrick welsh, both of cork ireland. patrick left ireland after a spell in the army and settled in the south east valleys of south wales.patrick's d/b possibly around 1860, guessing the irish army, he married a widow honora fortune nee coughlin