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Hello again,

Well I have finally moved house & have some time to work on my family tree again.

Thanks for all the news will try to get my head around it all. Family's are so interesting, I just wish my parents had given me more information to work with. Any way ta again, I hope to be intouch with some new questions for you to assist me in my search.

Ta Sue

Here's what I think we have:

Wallis/Gilliver family:

James Wallis b 1885, Warks m Catherine Howe b 1896 (or was she Catherine H (Hilda) Redfern?) 1928, Australia.

Lindsey, I didn't understand this - do we think Catherine was previously married too? Can I get access to Oz BMDs? Never tried, but have Ancestry WW sub.

James previously married to Ruth Larum in 1915, who died 1925.

His parents William Wallis 1860, and Lucy Jilliver 1859 (not Florence Hannah as on marriage cert - she was his sister).

1891 Census, William Wallis 31 (seems wrong), Florence H 12, James 5
1881 Census, William Wallis 28, Lucy 29
Lucy Wallis d 1890 Tamworth, age 40.
William Wallis m Lucy Gilliver 1873, Warwick.

James went to Oz in 1911, age 24.

In 1861, William Gilliver 31, Charlotte 32, Lucy 10 and others.

Howe/Donnelly family:

Catherine's parents John Howe and Ellen Donnelly (not Mckenely as on marriage cert).

In 1911, Catherine is an orphan in a home in Durham.
In 1901 she is with mother Ellen b 1873, called Kate, age 8, adn grandmother Kate Donnolly age 56.
In 1891 Ellen Donolly age 22 (wrong name, should be Howe) is with husband John Howe age 24, and her mother Catherine Donolly age 64 (guess it should be 46).

Ellen Howe d 1907 Durham, age 32.
Catherine Donnelly d 1904, age 54.

Not all of this ties up, re ages. But best I can see to date.

Sorry to hear you've been unwell. You are positively not allowed to move house whilst doing family history research - it is against the rules.

My husband has chuckled at my new name, Susan, says it is appropriate. He is not getting any dinner tonight.

I can see the info we've found is a bit disjointed. I'll see if I can summarise it - helps to refresh the memory too.

Margaret, alias Madmeg.

A BIG BIG THANK YOU to Lindsey and Maddog for your efforts, sorry i am in the middle of a house move at the moment, and have had some health issues, have not looked at the site for a while, i do appreciate all your efforts and will get back to you in the near future when i have time to sit down and fully understand it. Thanks again all

Susan


you print out information from threads on GR by highlighting what you want to print. Then you click on File on your computer, click on Print, click on Selection, and click Print



You cannot view original image from these pages ...... you have to go back to the source where the information was found. For example the information that Lindsey found on the 1861 England Census about William Gilliver was copied from ancestry.co.uk


You have to go back to ancestry to be able to click on the original image for that record.



Lindsey and Madmeg have worked really hard to find this information for you, and I still don't see that you have acknowledged whether you think it has to do with your family, or whether you understand it.




sylvia

Help please, how do you print this information out? also how do you view original image please.

Ta Sue

Sue, we could really do with your opinions on what's been found for the Howe family, which was quite difficult to research, and confirmation that you understand it.

Also, Lindsey has found almost all the records needed for the Wallis family - shout if you don't understand.

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Wallis Lucy 40 Tamworth 6b 264

So his wife was not Florence Hannah, that girl was his daughter.

what I didnt pick up on was James first marriage

7045/1915 WALLIS JAMES LARUM RUTH WELLINGTON Buy Now
1176/1928 WALLIS JAMES HOWE CATHERINE H REDFERN


death
14316/1925 WALLIS RUTH parents ISAAC MARY DUBBO Buy Now

Parents for James , William Wallis and Florence Hannah jilliver, hard to read certificate hope these are correct. Thanks Sue

I'll give Susan a pm, she's not looked at the thread for a few days.

That'll do nicely !

There are these possible deaths for Ellen and Catherine:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Ellen Howe
Name: Ellen Howe
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 32
District: Sedgefield (1896-1938)
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 78 (click to see others on page)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Catherine Donnelly
Name: Catherine Donnelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 54
District: South Shields
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 437 (click to see others on page)

Nothing really close for father John, if in fact he had died.

It's probaably one of those homes for girls at risk ? They were trained for service.

My plot does seem a bit wobbly but that's all I can come up with. I reckon the older sister Florence brought the children up as Mum Lucy died young.

and

when Granny Catherine died the Howes were put into care?


[ I might have been watching too many episodes of "when the boat comes in " !! ]


Australia would have seemed a glamorous prospect

Can't find anything better than Lindsey has. My guess is grandma Catherine (from Ireland) was 46 in 1891, the enumerator switched the numbers or it happened when the sheets were compiled. And Arthur W is her grandson, not nephew. And Ellen is Ellen How, not Donnelly. Other ages are a bit dodgy, but still...

1911 has a Mary Howe age 11 and a Maggie Howe 8 in Durham Union Girls Home, described as a training home, only 22 girls, so doesn't sound like a workhouse though they're all described as inmates.

I was trying to get my head around Lindsey's postings:

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Donelly Ellen S. Shields 10a 1006

Spouse Jonathan Howe

So by the time Catherine married, she'd got her mum's maiden name a bit confused.

now if you look for William Gilliver on Familysearch.org you will find the family back to 1680

1861 England Census about William Gilliver
Name: William Gilliver
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Warter, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Polesworth
Town: Polesworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Atherstone
Sub-registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gilliver 31 miner
Charlotte Gilliver 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lucy Gilliver 10
Maria Gilliver 8
James Gilliver 2

WILLIAM WALLIS
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: LUCY GILLIVER
Family
Marriage:
22 SEP 1873 Polesworth, Warwick, England


that seems to have sorted that little muddle out.

1891 England Census about James Wallis
Name: James Wallis
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Hints, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Hints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Hints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wallis 31 gardener widowed
Florence H Wallis 12
John W Wallis 9
James Wallis 5




1881 England Census about Florence Hannah Wallis
Name: Florence Hannah Wallis
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Amington, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Hints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wallis 28
Lucy Wallis 29
Sarah Ann Wallis 6
Harrit Wallis 4
Florence Hannah Wallis 2
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My guess is hes given his sisters name

Father William Wallis, mother was Florence Hannah Jilliver. This is what is on marriage certificate