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There was another child Elizabeth She was born in Winchester, Hampshire - different from others because father Richard was in Military and "on his way home" when birth occurred and yes there was a military base in Winchester at that time. Elizabeth married Joseph Boyer and like my Thomas en ded up in Salford

okay, will do

Try contacting the tree owner on Ancestry - he or she may know.

Where was this Elizabeth born - and when?

If she was their sibling, she wasn't baptised in the same parish as all the others.

Hi again - do you think Thomas b1817 had another sibling called Elizabeth who married Joseph Boyer - I spotted her in another tree on Ancestry

Best Regards Harry

okay now it makes sense. Thanks I will alter my tree accordingly

"Stepmother" in 1861 is a mistranscription (as is the place name, which I alerted you to) - you must allow for those at all times, particularly with Ancestry.

The image is actually "gd-mother" - meaning, presumably, grandmother to the children, as she is listed after them

So the details posted above are correct

Hi, now I'm studying the data sent to me more carefully there is something not making sense - if Richard Armstrong and Margaeret Manley were married in 1806 then the above children (Daniel, Thomas Catherine, John and Mary Manly) should be hers but in the 1861 census when she is living with Thomas and Eleanor she is described as Stepmother. Could this be that this Margaret Armstrong and Margaret Manley are not the same.

Best Regards Harry

Thanks this is great - I have a lot of above but this, presumably the children of Richard and Margaret ie my Thomas and his siblings, is new.

Also will take your advise and get marriage certificate of Thomas and Eleanoe because I do need to know more about her

Best Regards Harry

Doing my best - give me time for goodness sake - funny enough my wife says I am repetirive.

Who the heck am I talking to?

Hello I wasn't expecting such a prompt reply - it is the first time I have used the system

Eleanor born 1893 - either Salford or Wrexham

Thomas Armstrong born Salford1869
Alice born 1869

Thomas Armstrong born 1819. Eleanor Hughes Wales1826

RICHARD ARMSTRONG

Spouse: MARGARET MANLEY
Marriage: 26 DEC 1806 Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

Batch No.: M052425

Armstrong, British Isles
Father: Richard , Mother: Margaret
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C067071

1. DANNIEL ARMSTRONG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAR 1811 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

2. THOMAS ARMSTRONG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 FEB 1817 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

3. CATHARINE ARMSTRONG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1818 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

4. JOHN ARMSTRONG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 OCT 1824 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

5. MARY MANLY ARMSTRONG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 MAR 1821 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

1871

Name: Thomas Armstrong
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Stephen
Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Armstrong 52
Ellen Armstrong 46
Martha Armstrong 11
Richard Armstrong 9
Thomas Armstrong 2

1851

Name: Margaret Armstrong
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1785
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richard
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Damaged
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Armstrong 67 born Kirby, West'land. Occ: Tailor
Margaret Armstrong 66
Thomas Armstrong 34 Occ: Tailor

1861

Name: Ellen Armstrong
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Wragbans, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Armstrong 42 Born in Kirk by Hophan, Westmorland (Actually Kirby Stephen) Occ: Tailor
Ellen Armstrong 35
Margt Armstrong 5
Martha Armstrong 1
Margt Armstrong 76 Stepmother, born Torquay, Devon

You didn't check the FREE 1881 census

Name: Eleanor Armstrong
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Wrexham, Wales

Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 48 Queen St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Armstrong 62 Occupation: Tailor
Eleanor Armstrong 55
Richard Armstrong 19
Thomas Armstrong 12

Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
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ARMSTRONG Thomas Manchester 8d 205
HUGHES Eleanor Manchester 8d 205


Buy the certificate - it will tell you their ages, and the details of their fathers

can you give us some relevant dates to help here

My maternal grandmother was Eleanor Armstrong (= Taylor). Her parents were Thomas and Alice. His parents were Thomas and Eleanor Hughes but I am trying to comfirm and trace back further. Any help would be appreciated