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I have just been doing some research on my tree and I came across this old post of yours. James Walmsley was my great(x3) Grandfather. He married Mary Ashton and they ahd three children Margaret, John and Ann. James died between the 1841 and 1851 census (still trying to findthe date of his death) Mary then married Jomathan Meadow in 1849 and they had a son called Menry in 1850. Mary died in 1853. Hope this helps you in your research.

Christine(Peter's wife)

Once again a big THANK YOU to one and all for all your help. I can't quite put into words how grateful I am to you. Hopefully I will return the favour one day...

Best wishes

John.

According to LancsBmd - Mary Walmsley started off as Mary Ashton.



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MEADOW * Jonathan ASHTON Mary Liverpool, St. Michael in the City Liverpool 2054LP/2/441
MEADOW * Jonathan WALMSLEY Mary Liverpool, St. Michael in the City Liverpool 2054LP/2/441
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This is a possible for her first marriage:


Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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***ASHTON Mary Blackburn 21 55
BIGGAR John Blackburn 21 55
GOODMAN James Blackburn 21 55
Haworth Elizabeth Blackburn 21 55
HOOLE Elizabeth Blackburn 21 55
PEARSON Mary Blackburn 21 55
***WALMSLEY John Blackburn 21 55
WHITTAKER Robert Blackburn 21 55


Dea x

John Meadows married Elizabeth Fearns 7/7/1824 Ormskirk

John Meadow baptised 3/5/1801 Skelmersdale son of Richard and Ann

Jonathan Meadow (sic) born 7/4/1827 baptised 1/5/1827 Ormskirk son of john and Elizabeth

1841 Jonathan is 15 and farm servant in Ormskirk
His family are in Mill St Ormskirk
John Meddow 40 Ag lab
Elizabeth 39 (?Betsey from 1861)
Henry 11
John 6
Isaac 1

No worries, Dea, Good to have confirmation!
Jonathan Meadow (sic) married mary Walmlsley 1849 Jun W Liverpool 20 257

1851 Aughton St Ormskirk
Jonathan Meadow 23 Farm Lab b Skelmersdale
mary 34 Silk Warper b Ormskirk
Henry 5 mths b Ormskirk
Margaret Walmsley 12 step daur b Ormskirk
Wiliam Meadow 25 lodger b Skelmersdale (Probably bro)

Got im !!!!!!!!!!

1861 England Census
about James Meddows
Name: James Meddows
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jonathan
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 266
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan Meddows 33 Carter
Mary Meddows 44 wife
Betsey Meddows 62 boarder - wid.
Henry Meddows 10
Ann Meddows 7
>>>>>James Meddows 4
Jonathan Meddows 1

at Waterloo St.


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2748; Folio: 63; Page: 58; GSU roll: 543023.

Dea x

OOps, I see Gillian has already found them!

Dea x

Thank you so much everyone for all your help, some really interesting replies!!

Here they are in 1861 wrongly transcribed as MEDDOWS
1861 25 Waterloo St St Helens
Jonathan 33 Carter b Skelmersdale
Mary 44 wife
Betsey 62 mother
Henry 10
Ann 7
JAMES 4 al born Ormskirk
Jonathan 1 b St Helens

James Meadows married Ellen Woodward 1879 Dec Q Prescot 8b 967
This cert will give you his father name and occupation

1891 38 Cyril St Eccleston
James meadows 34 Glass maker b Ormskirk
Ellen 29 b Billinger
Mary A 11
May 9
Isaac 3
Jonathan 5
Ellen 1 all born St Helens

1881
Henry MEADOWS Head M Male 30 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Glass Maker
Mary Ellen MEADOWS Wife M Female 25 St Helens, Lancashire, England
James Thos. MEADOWS Son Male 6 St Helens, Lancashire, England Scholar
Henry MEADOWS Son Male 6 St Helens, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 105 Raglin Street
Census Place Eccleston In Prescot, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341894
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3735 / 49
Page Number 11

Husband's Name
Henry MEADOW (AFN:13PK-M68) Pedigree

Born: 1829 Place:
Christened: 6 Apr 1829 Place: Wigan, , Lancs, Eng
Died: Bef 1891 Place: Wigan, , Lancs, Eng
Married: 1851/1856 Place: , , Lancs, Eng

Father: John MEADOW (AFN:13PK-4F4) Family
Mother: Elizabeth HOWARD (AFN:13PK-4MC)

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Wife's Name
Sarah (AFN:13PK-M7G) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1830 Place: Wigan, , Lancs, Eng
Married: 1851/1856 Place: , , Lancs, Eng

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Margaret MEADOW (AFN:13PK-M8N) Pedigree

Born: 1855/1856 Place: Wigan, , Lancs, Eng

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2. Sex Name
M John MEADOW (AFN:13PK-MB3) Pedigree

Born: 1858/1859 Place: Wigan, , Lancs, Eng

worth noting that no birth is coming up on freebmd for Meadow or meadows in ormskirk around that year.

Is this the 1871 that you found?

Name: James Meadow
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Ormskirk
Town: Ormskirk
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Thomas 39
John William Thomas 4
Henry James Thomas 1
Mary Ellen Campion 16
Martha Margret Campion 14
James Meadow 14 b. St. Helens, Servant Boy
William Huyton 30
Thomas Huyton 12
Elizabeth Huyton 9

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3879; Folio: 138; Page: 8; GSU roll: 842033.

have you discounted this one? EDIT probably not this one, but there are several incl a mistranscribed one, not showing an Ormskirk birth though.

1861 England Census
about James Meadow
Name: James Meadow
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hindley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hindley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Meadow 66
Margaret Meadow 66
William Meadow 28
Alice Meadow 28
Christopher Meadow 13
Henry Meadow 5
James Meadow 2

1881

James MEADOWS Head M Male 24 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Glass Maker
Ellen MEADOWS Wife M Female 20 St Helens, Lancashire, England
Mary MEADOWS Daur Female 1 St Helens, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 51 Fenton Street
Census Place Windle, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341893
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3733 / 17
Page Number 28

Trying to find James Meadows, born in either St. Helens or Ormskirk in Lancashire. I've tried to find him in the 1861 census but can't and he's living in Ormskirk as James Meadow in the 1871 census. Would especially like to find his parents but at the minute they're harder to find than Shergar...

Thanks in advance, John