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NB: This family took a lot of sorting out, especially as there has appeared to be two Henry Kingswells both of whom at one time were married to a Charlotte. So, this is what me, together with some good friends from Genes have come up with and Henry Kingswell, born around 1807 to 1811 in Whitwell IOW was actually married three times

He married Jane Silsbury in 1833 Whitwell (family search.org).
Jane Silsbury sister to George
b. 1811 9th Nov Arreton (IGI)
Chrs: 1811 15th Dec Arreton (IGI)
As far as I can tell they had one son George, christened on 24th Aug 1834 in Whitwell (IGI) and who sadly died aged 12 either late 1846 or early 1847 (bmd Ind Vol 8 P205) (IOW fhs G2/E402) He was subsequently buried in Whitwell on 14th Jan 1847 (IGI)
Jane died in 1835, approx one year after George was born and buried on the 15th Oct (IGI) of that year.

In 1851, Henry (recorded as widowed in the Census of that year) is found living with his brother in law William Silsbury, his sister in law Harriet, her husband William Dennes and their grandaughter Alice all together in Whitwell.

In 1859 Henry married again (IOW fhs RO8/59) to Ann Morris, born in 1819, who is recorded in the 1861 Census as Henry’s wife (1861 Census (Wife aged 42) RG9/661 Fol 30 P5). Described as living with Henry in Niton North Ann, is recorded as a dressmaker.
It certainly could be true that Ann died in 1862 aged 43 (IOW fhs G6/E164), giving birth to their only son Maurice in Niton (bmd Ind Vol 2b P527) (IOW fhs G12/P35) Firstly because their death and birth dates coincide and
Secondly because Maurice is found aged 9 in 1871 farmed out as a boarder to a Robert and Elizabeth White, possibly from birth and probably intimating that poor old Henry could not cope on his own with the boy. This last remark is pure surmise and is arguable.
However in 1881 Maurice is found aged 19, living with Henry at No4 Puckwell Niton, and yet another wife for his father. (1881 Census (Son aged 19) RG11/1186 Fol 13 P20)
Maurice is recorded as a carpenter, whilst Henry seems to have retired from work.

In 1872 Henry has married for the third and final time in to a wife some twenty three years his junior (IOW fhs RO17/43) (bmd Ind Vol 2b P928)
Charlotte Lilly is recorded with Henry and Maurice in the 1881 Census, although Charlotte’s age is mistranscribed as 60. It should be 50
(1881 Census (Wife aged 60) RG11/1186 Fol 13 P20) There does not seem to be any children from this union.
So, thanks to you and your help, Christine, Glitter, Margaret and Mike, the knot has been unravelled. My Henry (c1807) married three times and had two children by two different wives. Maurice actually being my Henry’s son.
And it is found that there were two Henry Kingswells, the other one born somewhere around 1822, who married Charlotte Kent in 1846, going on to have seven children: George Henry, Sarah Ann, Edwin, Agnes, Harry, Alice and William.

My Henry died in 1889 aged 81
PHEW!!!!! Well that’s what I make of it anyway. Unless anyone knows different…….

Bye
Liz

Yes you could well be right Christine, but I really must have a good think on this one.

Not having a lot of luck with the online IOW Parish Registers so far - still snuffling through. Looking more and more as though I will have to send for certs.

Again thanks for everybody's help and thoughts, nice to know that I am not alone and there are more out there like me who love a good bone to chew and wont let go until .......

Liz

It seems to me that the Henry c1810 who married Jane Silsbury and is with some Silsbury family in 1851 probably married Ann Morris, with her in 1861 and then Charlotte Lilley but you either need the certs or to see the parish registers to be sure.

Christine

BVRI has these 2 children of Henry & Charlotte, one of whom has middle name Kent:

KINGSWELL, Alice Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1860
Christening Date: 19 Jan 1860 Recorded in: Hampshire, England
Father: Henry KINGSWELL
Mother: Charlotte
Source: FHL Film 1470952 Dates: 1834 - 1872

KINGSWELL, William Kent Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Apr 1863 Recorded in: Cowes, Hampshire, England
Collection: Holy Trinity
Father: Henry KINGSWELL
Mother: Charlotte
Source: FHL Film 1470805 Dates: 1858 - 1895

Thanks for that Christine -
I agree with you that there definitely were two Henry Kingswells (if not more) around at that time, one of whom married Charlotte Kent and one who married Ann Morris, though as you say Glitter's Henry for 1861 is much younger and the ages do not seem to fit. And also which Henry married Charlotte Lilley.

So thanks people - I am going to have to go away and have a really good think about this one again. Seem to be getting in a muddle - too close to the problem and need to step away for a bit.
Possibly as I said look at Parish records.
Many regards and thanks for your help. Shall be back if I can sort.
Regards Liz

The address for the Henry and Charlotte with all the children in 1861 is.

Address:
2, West Street, Northwood, West Cowes, Newport.

The other Henry with Ann was already on the post and is just Nitton North.

Christine

Here's the 1871

KINGSWELL, Henery M 60 1811 Hampshire
LILLY, Charlotte F 41 1830 Hampshire
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1170 Folio:
59 Page:
3

Registration District:
Isle of Wight Sub District:
Godshill EnumerationDistrict:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Niton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cottage, Niton County:
Hampshire


Charlotte's age in 1881 certainly looks like 50 on the image.

It would appear that the Henry And Charlotte Glitter found are a different family as Henry is much younger.

Christine

Ooh thank you Christine, looks as though I am getting a little nearer to solving my riddle.
Your 1861 shows a Henry Kingswell married to an Ann - whilst Glitter Baby's show Henry with his wife Charlotte.
So if anyone could come up with the actual addresses for these 1861 Census, it can answer my question and prove that there were two Henry Kingswells around at that time.
Liz

I nearly forgot - thank you Christine for the 1871 for the family, but as I said things just get weirder and weirder, dont they.

If this is the same family then did Henry marry again in 1872 to this Lily Charlotte/Charlotte Lilly and is she the Charlotte in the 81 - yet the 81 shows Charlottes age as 60 (or 50? Glitter Baby) -

Oh I dont know what to think now apart from the fact I cant find Charlotte (b 1821) death, which would be the key feature here.
Christine - could you please post the source RG for the 71 for me. Thanks
Liz

This looks like Henry in 1861, wife is Ann.

KINGSWELL, Henry Head Married M 50 1811 Stone Sawyer
Whitwell
Hampshire
KINGSWELL, Ann Wife Married F 42 1819 Dressmaker
Niton
Hampshire
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
661 Folio:
30 Page:
5

Address Nitton North

and in 1851


SILSBURY, William Head Unmarried M 35 1816 Farm Labourer
Whitwell
Isle of Wight
KINGSWELL, Henry Brother Widower M 41 1810 Mason
Whitwell
Isle of Wight
DENNESS, William Lodger Married M 58 1793 Farm Labourer
Whitwell
Isle of Wight
DENNESS, Hannah Wife Married F 57 1794
Whitwell
Isle of Wight
SILSBURY, Jane Grand Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Whitwell
Isle of Wight
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1665 Folio:
142 Page:
9
Address:
Stockbridge, Whitwell County:
Hampshire

There are a few deaths for Ann Kingswell between 1861 and 1871 Isle of Wight but ages weren't recorded at that point.

Christine

Thank you everybody for your help, but I think you will agree that this just gets curiouser and curiouser.
Not being able to get into other Census, I really appreciate you doing this for me, and the 1871 does shed a little light on Maurice insomuch as he seems to have been boarded out to the Whites aged 9. I wonder why and where his Mum was (Ann Morris)
Thank you Glitter Baby for this, and to answer your question, yes he is listed in 1862 on the IOW fhs G12/P35, mother Morris, thank you Margaret for confirming this for me..
And yes Maurice married a Mary Steer - 1884 Reigate Surrey (bmd Ind Vol 2a P270)(IGI) I have four known children for him, but no I have no certificates.
You ask how I know the 1851 details you post are not Henry and Charlotte
I dont know, but rather I think that they are the ones I'm talking about

So I am a little further forward knowing that Maurice was boarded out in 1871and with the Kingswells in 81, and thank you all so much for your help. I shall have to see if there are any Parish Records on the family on line, or call for certs - expensive - or see if anyone else knows more..
Thank you again
Many regards
Liz

A Henry Kingswell married Ann Morris 1859, Isle of Wight.

Oops! Sorry just re-read your post, you already had this!

There's a Maurice Kingswell on the Isle of Wight records born 1862, Godshill. mother's maiden name Morris.

http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/startbmd.htm

Just nudging to keep the top of my own threads

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1851 ?

Name: Henry Kingswell
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Whippingham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Whitwell
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: coachman

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Godshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Kingswell 27
Charlotte Kingswell 23
George H Kingswell 2
Sarah A Kingswell 1
No Name Kingswell 2weeks
Fanny Warn 14



How do you know that this is not the Henry and Charlotte to match the 1846 marriage?

Do you have any certs?



George Henry Kingswell - other surname Kent
Sarah Ann Kingswell - other surname Kent
Edwin Kingswell - 1851 - other surname Kent








1861
Name: Henry Kingwell
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Whippingham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Northwood
Ecclesiastical parish: West Cowes
Town: West Cowes
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Cowes
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Kingwell 39
Charlotte Kingwell 34
George Kingwell 13
Sarah Kingwell 11
Edwin Kingwell 9
Agnes Kingwell 7
Harry Kingwell 4
Alice Kingwell 1

Strange but IOW FHS does not list a birth for Maurice Kingswell on their website

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
KINGSWELL Maurice I Wight 2b 527

In 1871 Henry is down as a widower, also in household is Charlotte Lily born 1830.

There is then this marriage

Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)

KINGSWELL Henry I. Wight 2b 928 Scan available - click to view
Lilley Charlotte I. Wight 2b 928

Christine

1871 not a lot of help

Name: Maruice Kingswell
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Niton
Civil parish: Niton
Town: Niton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Godshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
Robert White 46
Elizabeth White 45
Maruice Kingswell 9



Did he marry and have you got the cert to confirm name of his father and occupation?



1881 just for info
Name: Henry Kingswell
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitwell, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Niton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: No 4 Puckwell
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Formerly Masons Labourer

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Godshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Kingswell 73
Charlotte Kingswell 60
Maurice Kingswell 19

I think Charlotte is 50 on image

I have a problem as to who was Maurice Kingswell’s (b1862- IOW) mother, and also if Henry Kingswell (1807-1899) was indeed his father. What exactly happened with this family? According to the IGI (family search.org) Henry Kingswell (1807-1899) married Jane Silsbury (1811-1835) in 1833 Whitwell and there was no issue to this union. Following Jane’s death and subsequent burial on 15th Oct 1835 in Whitwell, (Source: IGI) It is found that Henry married Charlotte Kent in 1846 at St Catherines Ventnor, (this is a stronger source from IOW fhs) and from then on they produced six children up to 1860. Now, my problem is this, I found Henry and Charlotte together in the 1881 Census (1881 Census RG11/1186 Fol 13 P20)with a recorded son Maurice born in Niton in 1862, the only one of their offspring recorded as son in this Census, yet the IOW fhs has named Maurice’s birth mother to be Morris. Not only this but it appears that Henry and Charlotte Kent produced another son in 1863 – William, But - I have found a Henry Kingswell marrying an Ann Morris in 1859 (IOW fhs RO8/59)
So are there two Henrys involved here and/or someone made a mistake (or fibbed) on the 1881, or perhaps Henry had simply been a naughty boy. Don’t know just what to make of this. Can anyone throw any light on the subject for me please?
Hopefully
Regards
Liz