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My Great Great Grandma Elizabeth Bridges married John Thompson in 1891. They had 4 children Adelaide, Isabella and twins George and Harry, who were born on the day they buried John. I know that by the 1911 Census her husband had died but not sure of the exact date, I know from passed on family history that Elizabeth had another daughter Kitty by another man but I am having real trouble finding if she married again etc and I can't find her on the 1911 census. Adelaide is married by this time and Isabella is living with an uncle. Any help would be fantastic! Thanks

Looking for a marriage of Elizabeth Thompson to Unknown isn't easy as Thompson is a common name, and hundreds are coming up in a search.

Could you give an indication of area.

Was Kitty given the name of her father or would she be a Thompson?
Any idea of when/where Kitty was born?

K

Ooops sorry! Elizabeth and her family lived all their life in Sheffield.
Kitty would have been born around 1908-1918 in Sheffield (big time scale I know)
If she was born out of wed lock I would suspect that she was given the surname Thompson.
Thanks

1901 census record for household of Adelaide Thompson
Address 48 Harrington Place


Town or Village or Hamlet Town
Ecclesiastical Parish St Barnabas
Parliamentary Borough or Division Ecclesall
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Sheffield
Administrative County Yorkshire
Householder 1
Name Joseph Holmes
Relation to Head of Family Boarder
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 78
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation County Own Bailiff
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Treeton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Adelaide Thompson
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Elizabeth Thompson
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Isabella Thompson
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name John Thompson
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 36
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation County Count ...Officer
Employment Status
Where Born Durham Spennymoor
Language
Infirmity

What year were the twins born, so we can look at a time scale for there fathers death michele

Have just done a quick search for Thompson twins born Sheffield 1901-1910 (there are loads of Thompson's) but can't see any apart from a George and Elizabeth.
There are just too many to take a proper, in depth, look without a bit more info.

K

I think Assunta Maria has gone off for the night?!!

K

Hi sorry disappeared last night. I think that John must have died between 1906-1908. There's a John Thompson entered in 1908 which is only 2 years off how old he should have been. I've spoken to my Mum and apparently Harry was given away to another family member when he was a few months old because she couldn't afford to keep them both. Maybe she didnt register Harry?

There's a death for a John Thompson, aged 41, Mar 1906, in the registration district of Eccleshall B. Vol 9c p256.
I don't know the area, so don't know how likely this one may be, but it's the closest in age, apart from that Mar 1908 Sheffield one - age 45. Vol 9c p342.

Still don't see any birth registrations for twins during 1906/08, not in the 9c registration district. .
I'm really not sure about the idea that one twin would have had his birth registered and the other not.

Have you found Harry and/or George in the 1911?

K

I'm going to have a look for 'possibles' in the 1911.

1911 CENSUS.
BELK, William, Head. Married. M 48. 1863. Spring Knife Cutler. Yorkshire Sheffield.
BELK, Agnes, Wife. Married. 27 years. F 49. 1862. Yorkshire Sheffield
BELK, Clara, Daughter. Single. F 15.1896. Silver Burnisher. Holloware Yorkshire Sheffield
THOMPSON, George. Grandson. M 3. 1908. Yorkshire Sheffield.

RG number:RG14
Piece:27889
Reference:RG14PN27889 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED22 SN69
Registration District:Sheffield
Sub District:North Sheffield
EnumerationDistrict:22
Parish:Sheffield

Address:
89 Green Lane Sheffield
County:Yorkshire (West riding)

A strong possible for Harry....
1911 CENSUS.

SHAW, Mary, Head. Widow. F 57. 1854. Yorks Springhead.
SHAW, William. Son. Single. M 26. 1885 Cotton Piecer, Cotton Mill. Yorks. Springhead.
SHAW, Harriet. Daughter. Single. F 25. 1886. Sluber Tenter, Cotton Mill. Yorks Springhead.
SHAW, Charlotte. Daughter. Single. F 23. 1888. Intermediate Tenter, Cotton Mill. Yorks Springhead.
SHAW, Fred. Son. Single. M 20. 1891. Cotton Piecer, Cotton Mill. Yorks Springhead.
THOMPSON, Harry. Adopted. Single. M 6. 1905. School. Yorks Springhead.
JACKSON, Mary Ann. Grandmother. Widow. F 77. 1834. Lancs Oldham.

RG number:RG14
Piece:26176
Reference:RG14PN26176 RG78PN1512 RD494 SD1 ED2 SN392

Registration District: Saddleworth
Sub District: Springhead
EnumerationDistrict: 2
Parish: Springhead

Address: 13 Stonesbreaks, Springhead Oldham .
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

That would be the right death certificate! Ecclesall Bierlow is definately the right area. Hmm this is very puzzling, I know she definately had twin boys because I have a photo of them with Elizabeth. By the 1911 census George was still with Elizabeth but Harry should be with another family member.

Ooo that looks like a strong possibility. Hmm the name Shaw rings a bell- I'll check the tree and get back to you, thanks!
A

I think we've crossed, prob my fault as I had to edit as m y screen keeps jumping around and making a hash.

There's Harry then, in 1911.
Can't find birth regs for the boys, maybe looking in the wrong place, ie Sheffield, and we should be looking further afield, but in same region???

K

Have you got access to the census records including 1911?
K

Currently paying to view through credits for 1911 census =( have access to the others though.

I'm pretty sure Elizabeth would be in Sheffield during 1911 census because that is where all the family is, her sisters, parents etc. I've already checked the households for her parents, her sister Charlotte, her daughter Adelaide and her daughter Isabella (14 living with an uncle).

So where is George in the 1911?? I can't see him.

Do you know for a fact he is still with Elizabeth, or is that an assumption because Harry isn't?

K

I have no idea =( I can't find them anywhere.
I know he disappeared properly when he was older but he should be around. Obviously he's not. The only logical thing I can think is that when he was a baby he had whooping cough and went into convulsions which gave him brain damage. Could he be in hospital or something at this time?
Elizabeth still had contact with him because he cared for her in later life.

"""I know she definately had twin boys because I have a photo of them with Elizabeth. By the 1911 census George was still with Elizabeth but Harry should be with another family member""""

Hang on - so you've not found George or his mother Elizabeth in the 1911 then, you're just guessing that they may be together??
And you're guessing that they're in Sheffield because Elizabeth's family live there??

But if Elizabeth has met/married husband No 2 by this time.....
1. they could they be living in a different area, other than the expected Sheffield.
2. George may have been given his stepfather's name so that he and his new half sister Kitty share the same name.

That puts the cat amongst the pigeons.
Got any surnames that ring a bell, so that we can search under that name?


K

I've been searching 1911 but don't know what/who I'm looking for. Just guessing really, but it's not working!!
K