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hi my grt grt grandfather was joseph barnes born manchester 1869 lived at aqueduct street his wife was ellen but i am trying to find out her name before marriage and where she came from also my joe is down as a railway shunter but then i cant find him in 1901 census although he was still alive

1901 England Census
about Joseph Barnes
Name: Joseph Barnes
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Barnes 30 >>>>>>>>>> railway shunter
Ellen Barnes 29
Annie Barnes 11
William Barnes 10
Edith Barnes 7
Joseph Barnes

thanks jackie , that is the right family did you see her maiden name ? kind regards tracy

There is this one Posssible only

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Joseph Barnes
Name: Joseph Barnes
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Fylde
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 1013

Married Ellen Tully


Another Possible

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Joseph Barnes
Name: Joseph Barnes
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 423

married Ellen Mellor

There is also this possibility.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
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BARNES Joseph Manchester 8d 233 <<<<<<<<<<<
HERRING William Manchester 8d 233
Keefe Mary Ann Manchester 8d 233
Kenyon Ellen Manchester 8d 233 <<<<<<<<<<

here they are in the 1911 census

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
BARNES, JOSEPH HEAD MARRIED M 41 FOREMAN SHUNTER MANCHESTER - LANCS
BARNES, ELLEN WIFE MARRIED 21 F 39 MANCHESTER - LANCS
BARNES, WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 20 JAM BOILER MANCHESTER - LANCS
BARNES, EDITH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 PEICER MANCHESTER - LANCS
BARNES, JOSEPH SON SINGLE M 13 SCHOOL MANCHESTER - LANCS
BARNES, DORIS DAUGHTER SINGLE F 8 SCHOOL MANCHESTER - LANCS

Address
81 RUSSELL ST MANCHESTER County Lancashire
District Manchester Subdistrict Ancoats
Enumeration District 20 Parish Manchester


it says on here they have been married for 21 years so 1890/91 would be about right

thanks i will look into it another possible one i think maybe ellen kenyon

thats brilliant i remember my nan mentioning an edith and doris kind rgards tracy thank-you

another possible marrige i was looking at this one as there 1st child annie was born c1890 but did they marry befor or after annie was born ?? the only way for certain is for you to send for one of the childrens birth cert that will confim who is the right bride



Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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BARNES Joseph Prestwich 8d 423
Mellor Ellen Prestwich 8d 423

Just to let you know I looked on Lancsbmd and it appears Ellen Kenyon had been either married twice or they couldn't read her name properly to transcribe, I would go with twice married though as the surnames are completely different.

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARNES Joseph COLTHURST Ellen Manchester, Collyhurst, St. James Manchester 48/2/215
BARNES Joseph KENYON Ellen Manchester, Collyhurst, St. James Manchester 48/2/215
COLTHURST Ellen BARNES Joseph Manchester, Collyhurst, St. James Manchester 48/2/215
KENYON Ellen BARNES Joseph Manchester, Collyhurst, St. James Manchester 48/2/215


Sal

thats interestin g jackie maybe she did marry twice but it would of been sa short marriage

the Ellen kenyon/Colthurst marriage was for 20 years - not such a short one! So I would imagine that rules out that one as the Ellen you are looking for

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868
COLTHURST Ellen
KENYON Thomas
Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church)

in that Fylde marriage Joe did not marry Ellen Tully - he married Mary Nugent


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
BARNES Joseph
NUGENT Mary
Old Fylde Register Office or Registrar Attended

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
TULLY Ellen
ODONOGHUE John
Old Fylde Register Office or Registrar Attended

all the above makes the other one look the best

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889
BARNES Joseph
MELLOR Ellen
Manchester, Beswick, St. Mary

If you get a childs birth cert this would give you mothers maiden name.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ you can search this free site for index (GRO numbers)
official site to get certs from
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

lancashireAnn

I tried looking for the earlier marriage don't know what I did wrong just couldn't see it.

Sal

many thanks you have all been brill lancashire annie i would agree the mellor seems right as my nan said her family were from beswick thanks alot tracyx