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Well thank you ! especially Shirley

i have found my Valentine !!

as Edith Valentine ( no father named) mother Ford, formally Heron,
although all the previous children after her husband Joseph ford died were Keir ( Kate, Victor, Bernard and Sidney) i cannot find a marriage for Merle Ford formally Heron getting married to Sidney Keir !

In some papers of my own mother i found she said that Merle (Pearl/e) was married to George Ford ? the Fords wer market people in Woolwich and i wonder if Merle married or was with George Ford a relation of her first husband at any time

I am susure seeing the photos of my own grnadmother Kate and Valentine ( Edith Valentine) that they wer from the same parent as they look exactly the same

Sorry off for shower and curry back later or tomorrow ! Thank you for all your very kind help this afternoon.

Greenwich and Woolwich changed around the boundaries from time to time . i came from Charlton and various rellies records came either under Greenwich or Woolwich

Greenwich is right next to Woolwich so could be a link i will order all certificates as if the mother is Merle i think it will be a right one as merle is such a rare name

This might fit with the birth date where there is a big gap , thank you

Well this is interesting I wonder if Valentine switched her name around seeing as she married as Valentine E !!!!!!

Name: Edith V Ford
Mother's Maiden Surname: Heron
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1925
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1565

there seems to be a Glostershire link Albert Heron born there and marriage of a Valentin and birth of Juanita and David ? even though all the other children were born and brought up in Woolwich i wonder if after Vals father died she went to live with other family her brother Bernard went to Bernados ?

looks like born as Heron
1891 census
Name: Merle Heron
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Albert
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:5 Rygate street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Heron 50 ship keeper 9dock labourer) b Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Ann Heron 46
William Heron 17
Hannah Heron 13
Merle Heron 1


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 288; Folio 92; Page 47; GSU roll: 6095398.


Name: Merle Heron
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St George in The East
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 363

Thank you, i do think there must be a problem with the name somehow, if i can find Jaunita that must help perhaps.

I know Val was in the WAAF with a Alma Cheetham ( her sister in law) but Alma is in her 80's

Do you think i can find an electrol roll with VAL on ? or WW2 records of some sort ?

I am wondering if Paul is a McCormack ?

Also does anyone know anything about Royal Navy and the WAAF best places to search ?

will send you both births

Sorry, thank you for your helpso far

Hi Yes i would like the birth for Juanita please, there is much confusion as Merle chopped and changed names the son Bernard was hard to find as it was transcribed wrong, but i now have that but no Valentine,

Valentine is male of female name , my mothers middle name was Valentine

Depends when VAL was born if she was really a Ford or a Keir or in her mothers maiden name of Heron

Name: Sidney G Keir
Mother's Maiden Surname: Heron
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1920
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2484


No record found of a Valentine with mmn Heron

Name: Kate B Keir
Mother's Maiden Surname: Heron
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1917
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1622

seems Kate was reg as a Keir though

Looks like Merle didnt marry Mr Keir
Name: Victor J Ford
Mother's Maiden Surname: Heron
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1922
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1921

Ah double entry so Mr Keir is acknowlededged as his father
Name: Victor J Keir
Mother's Maiden Surname: Heron
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1922
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1921

There is a marriage on Ancestry:

Name: Valentine E Ford
Spouse: Andrew J McCord
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Stroud
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1372

according to Juanita's birth reg her mmn was Ford so seems Val was reg as a Ford. do you want the birth ref?
No paul reg but there is a David also with mmn Ford

Surely Valentine is a male name??
You should be able to find her marrige to Mccormack by using the surname combination

Tricky one this !
Looking for Valentine could be Ford, Keir or Heron ( mother Merle Heron )

Merle Heron born 1889 ( sometimes know as Perl/e) married a Joseph Ford 1907 had at least 4 children Mary Anne (Polly) George, Joseph and Ivy in Plumsted/Woolwich

Her husband Joseph Ford died 1915 not sure if she married Sidney KEIR as i cannot find marriage certificate (help required with this too ) the father of Kate, Victor,Bernard and Sidney KEIR also Val ( think 99% Valentine) Where is Valentine i know Val married a McCormack and a McCord she had children Juanita and Paul and possible David she at one time lived in Basildon and South Ockendon and was in the WAAF

She could be any combination of the Surnames is it transcribed wrong, ? there are gaps in the line of children for her mother Merle( Pearl/e) k1909,1913, 1915,1916,1918,&19 1921, 1922-1927 and after May 1927 Merle married a Ernest How in 1934 there wre no children to this marriage she was still know to be alive up to about 4 years ago

I think the most likely is after 1915 and before 1934 and it should be 99% Woolwich or Plumstead.

Thank You