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HUGHES william snr, william+ harry went to mexico to work in oil early 1800's

Born where? Born when?

Which one was your great-grandfather?

Can we assume they returned from Mexico?

Or was your mother born there?

What are you asking for? Please tell us..............

need more information Rachael - went from where for starters, and what else do you know about him - his wife, any children, his parents? tell us what you know - we know nothing!!

I assume this is a replacement thread for the one where William, William and Henry allw ent to Mexico in the 1900s, but had no surname?


Thta seems to have been deleted


........ but I had asked all those same questions Freewheel and AnnoGG


Plus of course wanting to know the surname!!





sylvia

the phrase "whistling in the wind" comes to mind!

I beg you to have a little patience.I put this thread out (as I'm sure you realise my first attempt )in the hope that the combination of the names and mexico may trigger some recognition. Here are the answers to your questions: william snr(my gt g'father)wasborn in lancashire about 1865.Don't know when he first went out to mexico or when he came back here but he returned there in Sep. 1915.Again we don't know when he returned here,but he took two of his sons out there in May 1919.My grandfather Frank was the third son born in 1899(his mother died at his birth).He never went to mexico. We don't know if they ever returned here.Hope this helps.

OK Rachel


a little learning experience for you then!


If you want help from us helpers ................ who, just incidentally are all members like yourself but with a little more experience, and also subscriptions to other sites that we use to find information .................. then you have to provide as much information as possible.


However, your chance of someone who knows personally about your family, just happening on this thread is pretty slim.

GR says they have something over 10 million members, that includes both free and paid. Free members can read these posts but cannot reply on the boards, nor can they send pm's (personal messages).

I do not know how many actual members there are ......................... if you stop paying your subscription, GR drops you down to the free level, but they do not delete your name .................. so there have to be many millions of dead or inactive members still included in the "count"


If we assume that maybe 1 million members are still active, and then we assume that maybe hundreds look at these boards, then you can see what your chances are!



I do not want to discourage you ........... because in my mind these Community Boards are the heart and soul of GR. This is where you get lots of help from those helpers I mentioned above. I'm sure that someone will be able to find information for you that may lead you to finding out more.


One thing you can do for yourself, is to enter the names into the Search Trees facility up at the top, to see if anyone has the same names in their trees. Then you can contact that tree owner, and see what they know.




sylvia

Now

was Frank born in Lancashire?

Do you know where exactly?

What his mother's name, ie your gt grandmother?



sylvia

frank was born in Connah's Quay Flintshire.We do know his birth was not registered,and do not know his mother's name,although we have tried all over the place to find out.We know what happened to Frank,it's the rest of the family we would like to know about.(there was also a daughter called sarah born about 1897/8

Was Sarah also born in Flintshire?



sylvia

This is the only Frank Hughes born ca 1899 ...... but he wasn't born in Flintshire, and the mother is still alive. However there are siblings Sarah and a William. Strange!


1901 Census

Name: Frank Hughes
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bramley
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanningley St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bramley
Sub-registration district: Bramley

William Hughes 35 b.ca 1866, St Helens, Lancashire, Steam Engine Fitter
Harriett Hughes 34 b.ca 1867, Birkenhead, Cheshire
William Hughes 8 b.ca 1893, Garston, Lancashire
Sarah Ann Hughes 4 b.ca 1897, Pentre W Wales, Flintshire
Frank Hughes 2
Sarah Horrocks 54 b.ca 1847, North Wales, Mother (??), Living on Own Means

Address:- 14 Hill Side Mount



as I said ..... strange that so many items seem to fit the facts as you ahve given them while others don't




sylvia

For info purposes only:-

Here is the entry for their departure to Mexico in 1919. They state that "country of Intended Future Permanent Residence" is Mexico

William Senior was aged 53, mechanic born 1866c
william Junior aged 26 mechanic born 1893c
Harry Hughes age 24 Engineer.born 1895c

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: William HUGHES SEN
Date of departure: 17 May 1919
Port of departure: Avonmouth
Destination port: Tampico
Destination country: Mexico
Date of Birth: 1866 (calculated from age)
Age: 53
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Mechanic
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Harry HUGHES
William HUGHES JUNR
Ship: SAN NAZARIO
Official Number: 136702
Master's name: Mitchell
Steamship Line: Eagle Oil Transport Co Ltd
Where bound: Tampico, Mexico
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 6391
Passengers on voyage: 6

it is strange,because we cannot trace them on 1901 census ,however william's mother was called sarah nee thomas and she was born in Rhyl We picked them up on the1911 census when frank and his sister sarah were living in manchester with their g'mother sarah.So close but regretfully I don't think there is a link.Thank you so much for your reply.

thank you for the info about their departure in 1919 , we already had this,but i do appreciate your taking the trouble to send this to me.

1891 England Census
about William Hughes
Name: William Hughes
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:31 Egerton St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hughes 46 widow born Rhyl Flintshire Wales, Wardrobe Keeper Circus
William Hughes 25 son bornSt Helens, Lancashire, Mach Crane Driver
Dora Hughes 20 daughter born Manchester, Lancashire, Money Taker Circus
Mary Jane Hughes 16 daughter born Manchester, Lancashire, Money Taker Circus

To support the 1901 census submitted by SylviainCanada, here is Harriets death:-

Deaths Sep 1901
Hughes Harriet age 34 Bramley 9b 235

birth of daughter Sarah?

Births Sep 1898
Hughes Sarah Ann Wrexham 11b 257

possible marriage for Grandmother Sarah?

Marriages Mar 1864
Hughes John Wrexham 11b 395
Thomas Sarah Wrexham 11b 395


it really does begin to appear to be the correct family?

I am thinking that that 1901 family is the correct one ......................


Rachel, how do you know that Frank's mother died when he was born??

Do you have her death certificate?

If it is "family lore", then it is possible that the story has got a little twisted over time .............. and that she didn't die when he was born but a couple of years or so later.




sylvia