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Can anyone check for John Culshaw and wife Margaret on the 1861 Wigan, Lancs census.
Margaret b.c. 1823 ish, John b.c. 1825 ish.
Her daughter Mary Jane Williams b. 1847 is with the Culshaw family at Little London, but no sign of Margaret.
I have checked the Wigan cemetary records in case she died, but she's not there.
All help much appreciated. Cheers Margaret.

1861 poss

Name: John Culshaw
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: blacksmith lab

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Culshaw 37
Margaret Culshaw 37
Elizabeth Culshaw 14
Martha Culshaw 13
Leonard Culshaw 8

Thanks Glitterbaby,
They married at St. George's, looks good.
Is there an address?

Here's the fmp version.



1861 census transcription details for: 8, ..., Long Street, Wigan

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2772 Folio: 5 Page: 3


Reg. District: Wigan Sub District: 3 Wigan
Parish: Wigan Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St George City/Municipal Borough: Wigan

Address: 8, ..., Long Street, Wigan
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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CULSHAW, John Head Married M 39 1822 Blacksmiths Labourer
Chorley
Lancashire

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CULSHAW, Margaret Wife Married F 37 1824
Wigan
Lancashire

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CULSHAW, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Factory Operative
Aspull
Lancashire

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CULSHAW, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Factory Operative
Aspull
Lancashire

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CULSHAW, Leonard Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Aspull
Lancashire



Same family in 1851.


details for: Moor Side, Aspull

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2198 Folio: 364 Page: 4


Reg. District: Wigan Sub District: Aspull
Parish: Aspull Enum. District: 3B
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Moor Side, Aspull
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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CULSHAW, John Head Married M 27 1824 Labourer Coal Works
Heapey
Lancashire

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CULSHAW, Jane Wife Married F 41 1810
Preston
Lancashire

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LARNLEY, Mary Step Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Ston Loom Weaver
Wigan
Lancashire

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CULSH, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1847
Aspull
Lancashire

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CULSH, Martha Daughter F 2 1849
Aspull
Lancashire

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CULSH, Meriam Daughter F 1 1850
Aspull
Lancashire

I think that Long Street is actually Longshoot which is not far from St. George's church. Don't know if that helps at all.

Thanks everyone, brilliant, gives me something to work with.
It's Margaret I was after, needed to confirm she was second wife.
Looking good, cheers all.
You're great. Margaret.

Hi Margaret, as re your pm. This may be your John and Margaret in 1871

Name: John Culshaw
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hindley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Hindley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John Culshaw 46
Margaret Culshaw 47


He is an ironworks labourer and she is listed as a Housekeeper.


Can't see them on the 1881 and wonder if this is his death??

Deaths Jun 1873 (>99%)
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CULSHAW John 48 Wigan 8c 50

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If he died whilst still living in Hindley, he is likely to be buried at All Saints Hindley.

Not much, but may be a little help to you.

Cx.

Thanks Cynthia for the extra info.
I'll check the Wigan cemetary index see if I can find his burial/interrment, should be listed. They are online with plot numbers that can be accessed to see who else is buried there.
Cheers Margaret, x
PS, I couldn't find them on the 1881 either.

Margaret


are you aware of this site????


www.lan-opc.org.uk/



sylvia

from the lancs-opc


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Burial: 13 May 1873 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
John Culshaw -
Age: 48
Abode: Wigan Road
Buried by: C. H. Newbold Vicar
Register: Burials 1864 - 1876, Page 284, Entry 2272
Source: LDS Film 93746




sylvia

Hi Sylvia,
Thanks for the info, yes I do use the online parish clerks, just not had chance to check it yet.
That helps tremendously,
Cheers Margaret.

Thought I would see if I could find Margaret perhaps living with Leonard but, sadly :


Name: Leonard Culshaw
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 16
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 48 (click to see others on page)

Have been trying to find a birth for 'Meriam'! No success. Tried under Miriam - no success. Then wondered if, because of the local dialect, her name was actually Mary Ann......? There is a Mary Ann Culshaw born in Wigan but it is 1852.......so after the 1851 census. Could she have actually been registered late?

Just another thought. Will have to stop this thinking business!!!

Cx.

Can I just back track a mo.
If {Mary} Jane Williams b. 1846/7 is on the 1861 census at 4 Little London, Wigan, can someone check to see which Culshaw family she is with. Thought I had this info, but can't find it.
Don't want to be barking up the wrong tree here.
Cheers peeps.

OK this is a little strange

Jane Williams is living with her grandfather at 4 Little London. A separate household at 4 Little London is a family of Culshaws ....... the fac tthat they are separate hosueholds is indicated by a single line between the two familes. A separate house would be shown by a double line.


1861 Census

Name: Jane Williams
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan

William Williams 45 b. Wigan, Wood Yard Labourer
Jane Williams 64 b. Haigh, Lancashire, Wife
Jane Williams 13 Grandaughter, Cotton Factory Worker

Address:- 4 Little London



The Culshaws:-


Name: Mary Culshaw
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Burton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan

Mary Culshaw 33 Married, Cotton Factory Worker
Ellen Culshaw 13 b.ca 1848, Wigan, Cotton Factory Worker
William Culshaw 9
Jane Culshaw 5
Joseph Culshaw 3 Mo
Mary Culshaw 3 Mo

Address:- 4 Little London






sylvia

Oh, no, this throws a spanner in the works.
The Williams family is all correct, but why would this Culshaw be with them. Was only a small house and I was told the Culshaw's were related, that would explain them being there.
Take me months to sort this mystery.
4 Little London is correct. Jane was my grandad's mother, and he was born there.
Would next door neighbours give extra clues?
Thinking cap on, will check my later census's for any Culshaws nearby,
.Thank you Sylvia, much appreciated, must go, it's late here.
Cheers Margaret.

Margaret


economics??????


if the family was very poor, the Williams could well be living in one room in the house and the Culshaws in the rest of the house. Possiby sharing the kitchen, possibly not.




sylvia

I did reply Sylvia, but my message isn't on. Strange.
That seems very odd indeed.
Where is John Culshaw? Ran off with Margaret?
I have found a previous thread that I put on here, showing the Williams and Culshaw families in 1851.
4 Little London is correct address wise as my grandad was born there. The young Jane was his Mum.
I'll nudge the other thread on the board.
Cheers Margaret.

Just found the message, it is on, senior moment methinks.
Margaret.