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Astra - thank you for going that extra mile
Maureen, your input has confirmed a lot for me, thank you all

In 1881 John is shown in the Union Workhouse.
In 1891 he is a domestic servant...........possibly butler but not noted as such in Acton Middlesex
In 1901 he is a Foreign Fruit Seller in Hammersmith and married to Edith

Name: Edith Ann Tredwell
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: John Balmer Occ: Butler
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jun 1896
Parish: Saint Stephen, West Ealing
County: Middlesex
Borough: Ealing
Father Name: Alfred Tredwell Occ: Carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Lancelot Balmer deceased Occ: Blacksmith

Maureen

And Lancelots household in 1911

BALMER, Lancelot Head Married M 46 1865 Railway Storekeeper Pemith Cumberland VIEW
BALMER, Annie Wife Married
17 years F 35 1876 Cockermouth Cumberland VIEW
BALMER, Eleanor Daughter F 7 1904 Workington Cumberland VIEW
BALMER, Ruth Daughter F 6 1905 Greysouthen Cumberland VIEW

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Registration District:
Cockermouth Sub District:
Workington EnumerationDistrict:
20 Parish:
Workington

Address:
27 Clay Street Workington

John and Lancelot 1871. I think this is the one you were looking for. Sorry no shovel here. It's worn out from over work!

John Balmer
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Lancelot
Mother's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Penrith, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Penrith
Town: Penrith
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Penrith
Sub-registration district: Penrith
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Lancelot Balmer 42
Ruth Balmer 34
Lancelot Balmer 6
John Balmer 4
Anne M Balmer 1

Hi Astra, another interesting twist, many thanks for passing info on
Do you have a shovel?? Thank you

1911

BALMER, John Head Married M 43 1868 Foreign Fruit Warehouseman Cumberland Penrith VIEW
BALMER, Edith Wife Married
14 years F 37 1874 Middlesex Ealing VIEW
BALMER, Lilian Daughter F 13 1898 Kent Broadstairs VIEW
BALMER, Elsie Daughter F 11 1900 Kent Broadstairs VIEW
FITT, Stanley Nurse Child M 2 1909 Middlesex Hanwell VIEW
FITT, Herbert Nurse Child M 0 (11 WEEKS) 1911 Middlesex Hanwell VIEW
BEDFORD, William Nurse Child M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Middlesex Isleworth VIEW

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Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Hanwell EnumerationDistrict:
9 Parish:
Hanwell

Address:
47 Osterley Park View Road Hanwell W County:
Middlesex

Anne,
Just pleased to help. All the best .

Regards Vera

Again you did it, Lancelot was John's brother, l didnt know about James b 1860,so pleased with what you have found for me, Anne

Thats great. Hows the snow moving...have seen pictures of the snow you have, but have never experienced it.....I am in England.

Regards Vera

Good Job Vera, that is her, thank you so much, Anne

1861
James Balmer
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kirkland
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Thombeck 69
William Thombeck 19
Lancelot Balmer 31
Ruth Balmer 34
James Balmer 5 Mo


Regards Vera

will look up James..

Regards VERA

Right.....sorry no shovel :-)) Hope you have found yours..

Let me read that again......if she married a Balmer then this is her...........if not we are in trouble :-))


Regards Vera

Vera could you please look up James Balmer b 1860 Kendal, cumberland for me, on the 1861 census please, Anne

For reference...


1881

Edith A. Tredwell
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Grove Place
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age


Alfred Tredwell 42 Carpenter
Mary Tredwell 37
Henry Tredwell 15
Kate Tredwell 13
Louisa M. Tredwell 11
Alfred J. Tredwell 10
Edith A. Tredwell 8
Herbert V. Tredwell 4
Henry Page 32


Regards Vera

Hi Vera, k - Edith Tredwell Married John Balmer in 1896, John is my side of the family, and only just found out about Edith, as l thought John had died a pauper in Workington workhouse, at a young age, some one dropped me a line to say " nooooooo he turned up in London, as a Butler" l know l am rambling,Its early, its dark, so really l have very little on Edith, but thanks for the lookups, "weres that bl............ shovel, Anne

Is this her???


1901

Edith Balmer
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Shepherds Bush
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 186
Household Members: Name Age
John Balmer 34
Edith Balmer 27
Lilian Balmer 3
Elsie Balmer 1


Regards VERA

Births Sep 1872 ????

Tredwell Edith Ann Brentford 3a 83

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Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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BALMER John Brentford 3a 163
Butler Hannah Georgina Brentford 3a 163
READE Herbert Vincent Brentford 3a 163
TREDWELL Edith Ann Brentford 3a 163



Regards VERA

Just a query....are you sure she was born 1866 ish....because the family I found in 1871 have a daughter Edith in 1881 born 1873......just thought I would tell you about this family...

Regards Vera