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Hi me again.Bruceabt 1959.
I have found my grand parents marriage lines along with other paperwork.
1903 Marriage solomnized at parish church, in parish of
Christ Church,Bootle, in the County Borough of Bootle
No 89 - March 8th 1903 - James Garrett age 26 - Batchelor, Profession Labourer. residence 75 Garden Lane. Father William Garrett - Sailor

James married Margaret Smith aged 22, spinster residence
39 Garden Lne Bootle. Father John Smith - Deceaced .

marriage James Garrett - Margaret Smith
yr of registration. jan-Feb-March
County Lancashire
Volume 8b - Page 400.

went to America with children James, Annie & Catherine. Sailed on the SS Merion on 17 May 1905 - landed Phila, May 28 1905. My dad Edward Garrett was born 28 Dec 1908 along with another bro called William.
writing not to clear on passenger list but it looks like James garrett (father had a brother William & uncle living in the states they lived 1810 Olive St St Louis, Missouri but as I say the manuscript is not very clear.
also have copy of Birth certificate of William Garrett daughter Annie bn 1864 Williams wife, Catherine Garrett formerly Murphy. Williams occupation Merchant Seaman.

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about James Garrett
Name: James Garrett
Arrival Date: 28 May 1905
Age: 28 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Merion
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: William Garrett
Last Residence: L'Pool
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_49



On the ships record are;

Margaret 24yrs Brother inlaw to William Garrett St Louis age 18
James 5yrs
Annie ?
katie 12yrs
James 28 yrs (Labourer) Brother to William Garrett; 1810 Olive St Louis

You're welcome, and whatever else you come up with, just post it here!

Remember that the marriage info for William and Catherine is still not going to help you unless you have the marriage certificate for _James_ and Margaret Smith showing his father's name and occupation!

Hi bruceabt 1959
It was my cousin who informed me of William Garrett & Catherine Murphy, he told me they had a daughter her name was Annie Garrett born Rogerson St. Kirkdale 26/8/1883.
Annie happens to be the grandmother of this cousin whom i met through GR I will speak to him tomorrow, see if he has the marriage lines of william & catherine
Thank you once again for all your help, very much appreciated.
Vonnie

your right there abt James being married to Elizabeth living in Kirkdale abt 1900/01.
catherine, James mother was brn abt 1835 and come from Ireland dont know if william was from Ireland I know they were married in St Peters church Liverpool i think. William died at the age of 71 on 12/12/1909 was buried at St Marys church Bootle, Liverpool but this was destroyed during the blitz.

James Garrett
Birth: 14 FEB 1877 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: William Garrett
Mother: Catherine Garrett Fisher
Batch No.: C008241

?? The names are coincidental.

Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
Garrett Elizabeth 24 W. Derby 8b 329

Marriages Mar 1862 (>99%)
Brewer William Liverpool 8b 254
Burgess Sarah Liverpool 8b 254
Garrett William Liverpool 8b 254 ?
Murphy Catherine Liverpool 8b 254 ?

Births Sep 1876 (>99%) ??
Garrett James W. Derby 8b 573


1891 census ?

Name: William Garrett
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bootle
Registration district: West Derby

William Garrett 54
James Garrett 16
George Garrett 12


But the only way to connect all these to _your_ James is his marriage certificate to Margaret Smith, since that is the one definite fact you know.

'First wife was Elizabeth who died at the age of 24.'

well then it looks like he may have been the one I referred to in 1901

Name: James Garrett
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Kirkdale

James Garrett 25
Elizabeth Garrett 24
James Garrett 2
Ellen Garrett 3 months
Thomas Jones 49
Ellen Jones 46
Catherine Jones 13
Thomas Jones 11

I would guess that the Jones-s are Elizabeth's parents.

You don't say where you 'have' 'my grt grand father known as William Garrett brn abt 1838 married Cathrine Murphy' from. Do you have certificates that give all this information? If not, that is what you need to get, no way around it.

Hi

Yes It gives his occupation as

LABOUR at CAR COMPANY

also on the Passenger ships manifest JAMES'S occupation is LABOURER.

I dont know if it helps but it says Married 11yrs in 1910 census


Val

not to sure abt this myself
I have my grt grand father known as William Garrett brn abt 1838 married Cathrine Murphy, these were James parents, James himself (my grand father was brn 1877 married Margaret Smith, this was his 2nd wife
First wife was Elizabeth who died at the age of 24.

regards
Vonnie

That James Garrett in 1881 could be the one born abt 1876 in Liverpool who is married to Elizabeth and living in Kirkdale with young children in 1901.

Valerie if you are reading, does the 1910 U.S. census give an occupation for father James?

Vonnie in another of your posts I saw that you had heard your James might have been born in Isle of Man and in 1901 there is this one:

Name: James M Garrett
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil parish: Everton

Thomas A Coole 29
Isabella Coole 31
Thomas A Coole 5
John M Coole 4
Henry E Coole 2
James M Garrett 22
John E Garrett 19


and this would be him in 1891

Name: James Garrett
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil parish: Barrow in Furness

John Garrett 42
Mary Garrett 41
John F Garrett 19
William Garrett 18
James Garrett 16
Gertrude Garrett 13
Christina Garrett 8
Meriam Garrett 5
Samuel D Garrett 2


so you really do need that marriage certificate to know who your James's father was.

This looks like it could be your James Garrett in 1881, the birthdate matches the age in the 1910 census Valerie gave, but this is pure guessing unless you know his father's name (and occupation) from his 1903 marriage certificate.

Name: James Garrett
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah J.
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: West Derby

James Garrett 26
Sarah J. Garrett 25
James Garrett 4
Mary E. Garrett 6 months
Elizabeth Hawley 65
John Kenish 15

Name: James Garrett
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah J.
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Occupation: Shipsmith


You're welcome!

Thank you bruceabt 1959 for all your information

Vonnie

Is this your grandparents' marriage?

Marriages Mar 1903
Chambers Mary Alice W. Derby 8b 400
Garrett James W. Derby 8b 400
Roberts Robert W. Derby 8b 400
Smith Margaret W. Derby 8b 400


You said you are looking for James Garrett's brothers and sistes, do you know who they were?

If not you probably need to start with that marriage certificate to get James's father's name and then find him in the 1891 census with his parents and siblings.

Hi Vonnie, I received your private message, please do put your replies in the thread, with the purple 'Reply' button at the top.


sorry if i,m making my self a nuisance
i am trying to find my grandfathers (james) brothers & sisters. & how can i get a birth certifate for my dad as he was born in Missouri.
many thanks
Vonnie


I am no help here because I am not familiar with state records in the United States. But I asked Google for

Missouri "birth certificates"

and it immediately gives the official state site

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BirthAndDeathRecords/index.html

Unfortunately it says

'Maintaining a central registry of Missouri births, deaths and fetal deaths reported from January 1, 1910 to the present (some delayed filings from births and deaths prior to 1910 are available)'

I would suggest you have a look around that site for its policies about researching and releasing information. If there are records I am sure that if you prove your relationship to your father you would be able to get a copy.

Vonnie can you explain what you are wanting to find out please?

You can find your old threads by clicking on 'My threads' on the left side. You seem to still have the same account, I found this one from 2007 by searching for James Garrett Missouri

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=435809

I am going to add spaces to make it readable

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Looking for my dads family his dad, James, mother Margaret.
My dad John Edward known as eddie,born in St Loise Missouri. married to Marie Lloyd Bootle.(had big family 7x lads, 4 x girls ).
[is Bootle the place where they married?]

dad had brothers
Harold whos son was hurt in on railway Bootle around the 1950S, lived around Mary/Edith Rd.
other brothers Gerry, Billy(Willie) & Jimmy.
Uncle Jim was killed in the blitz with his family on Marsh Lane Bootle.
Dad come back from the states when he was around seven yrs old
had sisters Katie & Annie,
went to ive in Stafford St, Marsh Lane Bootle.

Anybody out there any help whatsoever appreciated.
Dads mum was Margaret Smith bon in Ireland
had sister Rose married to Man surname of Daley had 2 x daughters Lou & ? Lived on Knowsley Rd Bootle.
& another sister Annie I dont think she ever married.
Auntie Kate married to Tommy Wells had 2 x daughters Brenda & Maureen Son Tom. went to St James School Bootle.lived in Chestnut Grove.
Aunite Annie married John Carragher at St James, Marsh Lane. had 2 x daughters Anne & Margaret. son John.

All my family went to St Joan of Arc /St James, Bootle - Any Help kindly appreciated.

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Are you looking for living family of your father's brothers and sisters?

Vonnie,

Is this them in 1910


Name: James Garrett
Age in 1910: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: James
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Name: Margaret
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: St Louis Ward 24, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Garrett 32
Margaret Garrett 25
James Garrett 9
Catherine Garrett 6
Annie Garrett 5
Edward Garrett 3
William Garrett 1 3/12


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Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Louis Ward 24, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri; Roll T624_814; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 384; Image: 1016.

val

Can anyone help with my dads family.
last i heard was the family was in St Louis ward 24. St Louis .
Independent City Missouri - Immigrated to USA 1905.
My grand father - James Garrett aged 32 born UK.
Wife Margaret aged 25
son James aged 9 born in UK
Catherine aged 6 born in UK
Annie aged 5 born in UK
My father Edward aged 3 was born in Missouri
William aged 1 also born in Missouri. St Louis ward 24.
I did have threads from GR 1907/8 but moved house & mislaid all my paperwork.
I think grand parents left for the states abt 1903 with other members of grand dads brothers & went to live in missouri with anothe brother who already lived there. I also had the name of the ship & were they landed bur sorry to say i have lost all this paperwork.
can anyone help pls.
many thanks
Vonnie