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Thanks Vivienne - I think they must have teleported to Canada!

Must admit my main interest with this branch, Great Uncle actually, is trying to find out what happened to baby Jack as I've always felt sorry for him, motherless and Dad Henry took off for Australia in 1927 and left him behind with Rosina and Ethel.

I'll make a note of that 1911 info.

Thanks for trying

Pam

As I am not finding your Helena Butcher on Passenger lists I can give you this instead.

1911

Address:
6 Cowick Road Tooting S W

BUTCHER, James Head Married M 50 1861 House Painter Kent Woolwiich
BUTCHER, Rosina Wife Married
27 years F 51 1860 Middlesex Chelsea
BUTCHER, Ethel Daughter Single F 21 1890 Dressmaker Camden Town MX

I don't think that's him Bruce, his siblings were Frank (twin), Ethel and Rosina and his father James worked on the railway, his mother was Rosina.
I'm also pretty sure I found them on the 1911 UK census, I haven't bought credits so I only looked at the search page. If I remember rightly the whole family were in Wandsworth.

Mary is 7 and Monica is 5 so I guess they are her kids as they travel together, and will rule that one out.

In the 1911 Canadian census there is a Henry N Butcher with father James W and sister Mary A aged 19. James is a farmer born in England, mother is Martha.

There was a lot of visiting went on after the war I think.


Well this will be Monica and Mary

BUTCHER Mary 1913 F 1920 Liverpool Canada Saint John NB
BUTCHER Monica 1915 F 1920 Liverpool Canada Saint John NB

That's certainly something to consider. However there are no Marys or Monicas that I am aware of in my Butcher family.
Are there any more details about them?

Pam

I had found their marriage on BMD although not the actual date - funnily enough that's the date of my wedding anniversary, tho' many many years later I hasten to add!

As Henry returned to the UK in 1920 with a 3 month old baby son my guess is that she died in childbirth in early 1920 so there's only a relatively short perod of time between their wedding and his return when they could have travelled to Canada

travelling with.

Mary BUTCHER
Monica BUTCHER

Name: Mrs H BUTCHER
Date of departure: 6 April 1920
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Saint John NB, Canada
Passenger destination: Saint John NB, Canada

Date of Birth: 1887 (calculated from age)
Age: 33
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Wife

ship=METAGAMA

So might he have preceded Nellie to Canada and she would be recorded as travelling alone?

Ah, Vivienne is on the case, lol

After finding the marriage on Ancestry,Henry was a soldier,so one possible for him.

Name: Pte H BUTCHER
Date of departure: 25 August 1919
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status:
Sex: Not specified
Occupation: H M Forces


I will now go check Bruces find.

Thanks for your efforts Vivienne.

Henry, sometimes known as Harry, was born 27/8/1887 in Pancras, Middlesex. He served with the Canadian Expeditionary Force during WW1 and on his attestation papers his occupation is Locomotive Fireman.

I managed to get a record of him returning from Canada with his infant son before they moved the records to the expensive section of Ancestry.

Returned from Montreal, Canada 26/7/1920 on Corsican, Canadian Pacific Line, with Jack aged 3 months. Docked at Liverpool.

Pam

Here's her marriage. He was a soldier.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Helena Adelaide Cattermole
Name: Helena Adelaide Cattermole
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Spouse Name: Henry Butcher
Spouse Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Oct 1918
Parish: Ascension, Balham Hill
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Charles Cattermole
Spouse Father Name: James Butcher

I'd say might this be Helena

BUTCHER H 1887 F 1920 Liverpool Canada Saint John NB

but there doesn't seem to be a matching person who could be Henry

When was Henry born and what was his occupation ?

Im not finding any Nellies or Helenas to suit at the moment

I just typed Nellie Butcher arriving in Canada 1916-1920, (sorry I put 1918 in the original request) born in London, in the search facility and there was one at the top of the list.

Mine was born in 1886/7 in Lambeth (Helena Adelaide Cattermole) married Henry Butcher in Wandsworth in 1918 and died in Canada 1919 or 1920.

Pam

Hi Pam.
I dont see that one between 1918 and 1920.

Do you know her year of birth?

There is this one

Name: Nellie Butcher
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Date of Arrival: 30 Apr 1906
Vessel: Dominion
Search Ship Database: View the 'Dominion' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-486

I would be really grateful if someone with Worldwide Ancestry can give me the details of a Nellie Butcher who is shown as going into Quebec between 1918 and 1920.

Many Thanks

Pam